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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
but yeah, even though it is cost efficient, I'd rather take trinity and botrk over it. If you were to get it after those 2 I don't think it would be possible to be tanky enough to not get blown up instantly unless I'm vastly underestimating Irelia's healing and tankiness with randuins/sv zerks/tabi/treads botrk trinity rand sv warmogs zephyrs would be pretty godlike if you could ever manage to get to the 6 items and floating 3k gold point though. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
Also why not get botrk and tri...Tri recently got that cost buff and it is still a very nice item to have (irelia uses all the stats minus the crit). | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 19 2013 02:13 Ghost-z wrote: What Quints is everyone running on Irelia or which ones would you recommend? Right now I just run with MS quints on Irelia because its either that or AD/AP. Are the AS/HP/Regen quints worth a buy? MS/Ar/MR/HP | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 19 2013 02:04 heroyi wrote: zephyr just doesnt have enough defensive abilities to make people consider it more. if it gave some hp or MR/armour then it would be a VERY nice item. Also why not get botrk and tri...Tri recently got that cost buff and it is still a very nice item to have (irelia uses all the stats minus the crit). I think the problem is not its defensive properties (alone), but that is lacks offense as well. It is a most confusing item like Nashors was before Kayle was actually good. I mean, if somehow it had enough Offense to be the first item for a bruiser, it would be good. Or if if it was even good enough to be a 2nd item. But it has mediocre scaling (besides tenacity) along with mediocre earlygame. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 19 2013 14:11 cLutZ wrote: I think the problem is not its defensive properties (alone), but that is lacks offense as well. It is a most confusing item like Nashors was before Kayle was actually good. I mean, if somehow it had enough Offense to be the first item for a bruiser, it would be good. Or if if it was even good enough to be a 2nd item. But it has mediocre scaling (besides tenacity) along with mediocre earlygame. I don't think anybody is espousing it as an early item. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Before the BORK rework, I was going: Stinger Giant Belt BORK (yes, before the rework when it had no AS but was cheaper.) Some item that builds out of Giant's Belt Triforce or Zephyr It's possibly still a good build order if BORK rush or bilgewater rush doesn't make sense, but I can't really imagine any situation that you aren't gonna build at least the bilgewater, and at that point, you might as well finish the BORK. 40% AS and 10% CDR for 1200 is SUPER cost-effective, though. That's like, way better than baseline cost efficiency. I love 1-1.5k items that are cost effective. I could easily see an early game build being based on Stinger, Hexdrinker, Giant Belt, Bilgewater Cutlass, and other similar cost items. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 19 2013 14:15 Gahlo wrote: I don't think anybody is espousing it as an early item. Well, lets be honest, as far as most builds are concerned, there are no "not early items". Like mercurial scimitar is built in almost no games. But at least merc scim is basically a luxury item for AD champs that otherwise want QSS. Its not like Zephyr builds out of Merc treads+ stinger as a luxury item for champs that want tenacity. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 19 2013 14:44 cLutZ wrote: Well, lets be honest, as far as most builds are concerned, there are no "not early items". Like mercurial scimitar is built in almost no games. But at least merc scim is basically a luxury item for AD champs that otherwise want QSS. Its not like Zephyr builds out of Merc treads+ stinger as a luxury item for champs that want tenacity. Any proper build, in my opinion, has 3 types of items. Early staple, early situational, and situational. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
You pick it up when there is a teamfight reason to want tenacity, but in lane you're fine running around just with Irelia's passive and maybe the mastery. (Example: Ashe) So, you're not getting merc treads early for tenacity (which means you're probably getting Ninja Tabi) but you want the option for tenacity later in the game. So, you get sitnger early and don't upgrade it until after you have your core items. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Core>stinger>Defense#2>Zephyr | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
probably great for a second offensive item as an alternative to wits but I'm not sure about it as the only offensive item. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On April 21 2013 05:02 Slayer91 wrote: The problem with zephyrs cost effectiveness is that if you try to put a value on BoTRK active and trinity slow proc+sheen proc they're probably just as cost efficient if not more so and in general having the extra slow is more useful than more movement speed with melee champs. probably great for a second offensive item as an alternative to wits but I'm not sure about it as the only offensive item. No one's arguing whether it would make a good first/only offensive item, but rather something you get super late game. The tenacity and MS are great stats to have, and if you already have your core build and can survive/do damage, it seems like a great way to finish it off. I thought about it a bit, and because there's some overlap between Tri and Bork, I do think Zephyr would make a good second offensive item. | ||
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HesitatioN
United States148 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On April 22 2013 04:58 HesitatioN wrote: zephyr is the best fit for situations in which irelia needs a second offensive item It's an option for when you need the tenacity. If you don't need it, BotRK/triforce are better(triforce is best, but it's hard to get out of lane against harder opponents) | ||
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HesitatioN
United States148 Posts
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OmegaKnetus
Germany431 Posts
I've tried going botrk first aswell as trinity force and I think the early sheen actually is stronger than cutlass. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On June 10 2013 13:57 OmegaKnetus wrote: So I started playing Irelia recently. could anyone still playing her tell me which items hee usually goes for? I've tried going botrk first aswell as trinity force and I think the early sheen actually is stronger than cutlass. The standard core seems to be BotRK/Trinity > Randuins. I guess it's a matter of "can I be agressive and bully him with sheen" or "do I have to sit back and try to survive the lane." | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Cutlass is stronger than both sheen and phage because the active does about as much as 2 sheen procs, gives lifesteal and AD for laning strength, and an on demand slow. Completed trinity is better than BotRK if you plan on going 1 offensive item>randuins, but it's very hard to get there out of lane against most top laners. | ||
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