EPT[Champion] Malphite - Page 7
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ultimatenewb
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Norada
China482 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
- standard start, philo->boots->HoG - getting to zeal/PD + atmas - endgame you're looking at shurelya/mercs/randuin's/atma's/PD/some MR item ? Randuin's+Shurelya give 900 bonus HP to fuel your atma's, and you're still quite tanky assuming tank runes, the PD and atma's giving AS, crit%, and your W complimenting your AD. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
I know he falls off late game compared to other champs top, but his presence early and mid game is so strong it seems that it's well worth it. | ||
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Bearigator
United States233 Posts
On June 04 2012 13:22 Dark_Chill wrote: I recently started playing malphite, and I really want to know why he isn't a more popular pick for top. He can completely zone melee champs using pound and shield, his q can help him escape, he has one of the strongest ults in the game, he has an armor steroid. He completely shuts down ad carries (randuins+pound) while being able to get to them with not too much trouble. His ult can be used to get champs off your ad carry, initiate, escape, do beastly ganks. I know he falls off late game compared to other champs top, but his presence early and mid game is so strong it seems that it's well worth it. I am only ~1300 player, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but Malph is one of my favorite tops so I have a lot of experiance with him against all the popular top champs. The biggest problem with malphite is that you WILL push the wave. The passive on his W makes it impossible not to, sort of like Tristana. This makes him very suseptable to ganks. Admitedly, you are beefy as crap and can use your ult as an escape, but you still don't want to be pushed all the time. Unfortunately, unlike most tops who push well, Malphite doesn't really have much to do with his time while the enemy pushes the lane back. He can gank mid, but unless his ult is up, he probably is not going to have too much success. He is not super fast either, so counter jungling is not very effective. Second biggest issue? He has little sustain and mediocre damage. It is very easy for another top to stop your passive shield from coming back if they know how it works. You have a little bit of burst (especially your ult), and your E even benifits from the armor you probably are building naturally up there. It is not enough though, you can't really disrupt any top with strong sustain. Once out of lane, he mostly just has very little damage. The good parts about Malphite is he is damn near unkillable. Most tops are AD and Malphite likes building armor. You can farm by AAing the wave three times and then AOE all the creeps down if you can't afford to stay in the wave and trade damage and almost nobody out pushes Malphite. If Malphite is farming under his turret, it is probably because he wants to be there. He also has one of the strongest innitiates in the game with his ult. Once he ults in, it is also nearly impossible to keep him off the AD carry without burning a ton of CC. Basically, Malphite only does well a tops who are sort of jack-of-all tradesy or kill lanes. He doesn't die. Sustain tops who just want to farm all day though? Malphite can't really stop them normally. Nasus is the most frustrating lane ever for Malphite because he can't stop the Nasus farm and Nasus is WAY scarier when properly farmed then Malphite is. He serves his purpose well enough in teamfights though. Basically, you can't first pick Malphite. He is way too easy to counter-pick. Even as a counter pick he is situational. Not to mention Malphite rocks in the jungle and goes better there imo. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Plus he's got that badass ult, with cc immunity included, for more "Only death can stop him" goodness. More seriously, unless specific counterpicks ("Oh noes, they have Irelia top, Jax in the jungle and Vayne as an AD carry, how can we deal with so many AS-oriented champs?") or you just want to stack AoE cc, Maokai and Nautilus just do his job better in the jungle. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
With the latest minor tweaks (a fraction more health per level, increased travel speed/less bugginess with his ult), I've had decent results in the jungle running Philo=>Chalice, Amumu/Maokai-style. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On February 24 2012 06:41 Slayer91 wrote: Yeah actually I've been playing malphite a lot past week and I can feel the difference alright. The shorter CD on E is the real kicker that lets you build full tank and do decently damage wise. I want to build sunfire but it just seems so weak compared to getting something like frozen or randuins or fon or shurelyas or abyssal. I've been experimenting with chalice but I'm not convinced it's needed, but it's probably not an awful investment in the jungle where the sustain is always nice. You lose like 0 hp on malph because of passive, maybe I don't even need philo, philo too strong though, would probably rather get it over chalice if I had to choose. I think people who stopped playing tanks forgot how much god damn damage they do to squishy champions. Abyssal vs FoN (maybe banshee is good if you want cata for lane malph) seems to be the main question. Abyssal fits with the burst caster side of things but FoN lets you absorb all poke and stay alive in fights, whether that is worth it on malph I'm not sure. I'm a big force of nature fan at around 4th item so probably abyssal is better if I'm even considering it. (Could be bias from m5 triple dring abyssal sorc build.) I actally am trying sorc boots on malph now as well, at least instead of tabi, seems goofy but it scales well with the damage on his E Q and R. (obviously in a situation where you need mercs you get em) Hey Teut, you been playing any more Malph in the jungle? I lifted a page from yr Amumu play and have been running w/Philo=>Chalice=>Glacial=>Negatron then Reverie/Glacial/Abyssal as needed. I've mucked around with Philo=>HoG or HoG=>Chalice, but they don't quite fit. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
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brolaf
291 Posts
On July 12 2012 01:10 SMD wrote: why no aegis on malphite? or is it just assuming the jungler/supports getting one? I always go aegis if my team isn't it just seems like everything malphite wants. Definitely. tops generally go for the dual gp10 and then the big money items. aegis is more for the low-farm roles. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 05 2012 18:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: The real issue is that Malphite pretty much has to be a counterpick or you leave them open to do something silly like farmwar you with someone who scales better or just counterpick you with someone like Kennen or Swain. I've actually had 0 problems with kennen and swain, versus swain at least top when he isn't getting blues you can get philo/chalice and you just out sustain him and similar story to kennen you just q run up to him e if he e's away then you back off and wait for next Q. Vlad is the only real guy I've had problems vs as malph in top lane. As for jungle I think skipping chalice is better and just going standardy philo hog glacial builds and spare your mana more. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 12 2012 02:28 Slayer91 wrote: I've actually had 0 problems with kennen and swain, versus swain at least top when he isn't getting blues you can get philo/chalice and you just out sustain him and similar story to kennen you just q run up to him e if he e's away then you back off and wait for next Q. Vlad is the only real guy I've had problems vs as malph in top lane. As for jungle I think skipping chalice is better and just going standardy philo hog glacial builds and spare your mana more. When I first started playing malph I thought vlad was really tough, but now I'm only really scared of rumble and yorick. Remember that vlad is really weak for the first few levels and use this to your advantage. This is actually one of the few matchups I get a doran's ring in. Usually go boots 4 -> dring -> philo -> abysall -> regular build. You can pretty much just spam Q on him, walk up with the move speed and auto + E and repeat. With the AP and regen from dring/philo, the matchup is really manageable. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I'm never scared of rumble as anyone, but that's just me. I think it's a decent matchup for rumble but I don't understand how you are supposed to survive ganks past 6 with malph ult from miles away. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 12 2012 03:34 Slayer91 wrote: Perhaps, the games I played agianst vlad he always ended up getting fed early somehow and coming back with a revolver first back. I'm never scared of rumble as anyone, but that's just me. I think it's a decent matchup for rumble but I don't understand how you are supposed to survive ganks past 6 with malph ult from miles away. Same thing can be said about Rumble's ult. | ||
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