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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
August 02 2014 08:42 GMT
#181
What is the main build for top mao?

Seems to be flask or dring start into RoA then straight supporty tank items. I'm guessing 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 masteries, just not sure on runes.
@miicah88
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 02 2014 08:54 GMT
#182
On August 02 2014 17:42 miicah wrote:
What is the main build for top mao?

Seems to be flask or dring start into RoA then straight supporty tank items. I'm guessing 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 masteries, just not sure on runes.

mpen,armor,(scaling)MR, and quints are your choice tbh. A lot of maokai's damage is in the base values. After RoA I like FH/SV/Banshee's/randuins/locket in some order and combination. Build one for the lane opponent, and then after that build whatever you need to survive. Haven't tried it, but I suppose you could go something like a liandries or void if you want more damage.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 02 2014 22:51 GMT
#183
I used to run top Mao in S2 and my build was RoA Sunfire FoN Triforce + some other item in whatever order I wanted after RoA -> Sunfire. It worked really well and I'm assuming I would build the same items and just replace FoN with Visage.
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AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 05:45:54
August 03 2014 05:16 GMT
#184
Maokai top is pretty beastly. Mana isn't a problem anymore and he has a lot of sustain
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 09:23:00
August 03 2014 08:46 GMT
#185
Well I think I encountered the first counter to maokai - Cho. Does more damage, and maokai's no MR scaling as a melee doesn't help. Can't push hard enough or harass enough to beat him up early, so cho just sits in the wave and the e damage really adds up. Strong non spell based harass/push beats maokai pretty hard.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 03 2014 09:55 GMT
#186
nasus
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 10:19:01
August 03 2014 10:10 GMT
#187
On August 03 2014 18:55 Slayer91 wrote:
nasus

Oh. That too. Both are winnable only with jungler assistance I think. Cho might turn into a farm lane if you can get a fast cowl though, which heavily benefits you.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 10:49:49
August 03 2014 10:48 GMT
#188
i dont know how you can "lose" a lane vs maokai as nasus, he does no damage and you get to free farm until you decide to all in
I guess if you want to farm till like level 9-11 and then go group and try to gank nasus when he pushes 2nd top tower you can go even i guess
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 11:34:35
August 03 2014 11:16 GMT
#189
On August 03 2014 19:48 Slayer91 wrote:
i dont know how you can "lose" a lane vs maokai as nasus, he does no damage and you get to free farm until you decide to all in
I guess if you want to farm till like level 9-11 and then go group and try to gank nasus when he pushes 2nd top tower you can go even i guess

Would require at least 2 successful ganks from maokai(first burn TP, second to actually make him lose stuff) before you could win as mao, and even then it'd be hard I think. Can't really burst nasus for much more than a half even if you're a level or two ahead with ult burst, and then everything is down and Q spam alone doesn't even out damage nasus sustain, let alone cowl or flask. You'd probably need morello's on top of roa so that you can quickly burst him below 50%, and then non-stop harass him to actually win with jungler help.

Definitely not a lane you can win without help unless the nasus REALLY sucks(I won once, but the dude went dblade>sheen in this matchup and got spammed out of the lane...)
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
August 04 2014 16:53 GMT
#190
On August 03 2014 17:46 Amui wrote:
Well I think I encountered the first counter to maokai - Cho. Does more damage, and maokai's no MR scaling as a melee doesn't help. Can't push hard enough or harass enough to beat him up early, so cho just sits in the wave and the e damage really adds up. Strong non spell based harass/push beats maokai pretty hard.


This
Cho shits on laning mao so hard and he outduels him every time and pushes faster
jrodan
Profile Joined June 2014
United States2 Posts
August 04 2014 17:19 GMT
#191
Does he really outduel him? I would think if you dodge Cho's rupture it is pretty easy to get free combo in. He can't really out-trade you unless he lands it and it is pretty easy to dodge most of the time.
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
August 04 2014 19:18 GMT
#192
If cho maxes E, there's not much mao can do. Don't use your spells and mao gets no sustain
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-04 23:55:58
August 04 2014 23:55 GMT
#193
Most of the time that I play Cho top I run mpen reds and Aspd quints with E max nowadays. It's strong but I'm still pretty sure Maokai will be more useful late game than Cho will be. Cho probably wins lane in a vacuum, though.

Wait. Shit. It's actually time to bring back my RoA -> Triforce build on Chogath.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
August 05 2014 07:51 GMT
#194
Trynd seems like a hard matchup, vs'd one today who tower dives me and doesn't ult so I back and am up a level and a glacial but he still just out trades me so hard. You can't stop him pushing and don't have any kill pressure at all.
@miicah88
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 11 2014 09:37 GMT
#195
Vayne fucking wrecks you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it if your jungler isn't camping 24/7
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
August 11 2014 21:28 GMT
#196
And then they have no frontline in fights, yay for vayne top
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 12 2014 01:21 GMT
#197
Note: Your team will also have no frontline because you get evaporated with no items on Mao.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
August 25 2014 23:10 GMT
#198
Is it possible to win vs Ryze? I maxed E and tried my best to farm but he was still up around 30CS on me by 10mins. There was only 1 gank from their J4 and I forced him to blow flash and my jungler came at 6 (he got the kill). I went ROA first but he was still bursting me hard.
@miicah88
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 26 2014 01:56 GMT
#199
On August 26 2014 08:10 miicah wrote:
Is it possible to win vs Ryze? I maxed E and tried my best to farm but he was still up around 30CS on me by 10mins. There was only 1 gank from their J4 and I forced him to blow flash and my jungler came at 6 (he got the kill). I went ROA first but he was still bursting me hard.

Go qe max q and just push the wave, last hitting as best you can. Ryze can't last hit under turret without spells very well, and every spell used on a creep is one that isn't hitting you.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 26 2014 03:54 GMT
#200
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