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[Champion] Maokai

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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 21:58:15
April 06 2011 18:08 GMT
#1
Maokai the Twisted Treant

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Introduction

Maokai is a caster-tank, quite similar to the likes of ChoGath and Galio. He uses his innate beefiness in order to maximize his disruptive potential. He contributes 2 cc: a spammable AoE slow, and a very reliable root that also blinks maokai to the target. His ulti is also extremely useful in a teamfight because it gives 20% damage reduction your whole team, if placed correctly, and it does a great deal of AoE damage to boot. His passive also makes him impossible to kill later on. He is quite underrated by most players.

Abilities

[Q] Arcane Smash – Slight knockback + slow
Magic Damage: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+0.4 per Ability Power)
Slow: 20 / 27 / 34 / 41 / 48 %
Cost: 55 mana
Cooldown: 6 seconds
Range: 700

Comments: + Show Spoiler +
It’s cheap, the cooldown is low, and once you max it, it becomes a huge amount of slow. The knockback is minor but it’s not irrelevant. I do believe the knockback creates a ministun that stops channeling and stops the usage of abilities and attacks by a fraction of a second.


[W] Twisted Advance – Root
Magic Damage: 80 / 115 / 150 / 185 / 220 (+0.8 per Ability Power)
Root Duration: 1 / 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 / 2 seconds
Cost: 75 / 80 / 85 / 90 / 95 Mana
Cooldown: 13 seconds
Range: 650

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Maokai’s hard-cc. It’s a point-and-click cc, extremely reliable.


[E] Sapling Toss – Spidermines

Impact Magic Damage: 40 / 75 / 110 / 145 / 180 (+0.4 per Ability Power)
Explosion Magic Damage: 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+0.6 per Ability Power)
Cost: 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 Mana
Cooldown: 12 seconds
Range: 1100
Explosion Area of Effect: 350 (estimate)
Chase Aggro: 250 (estimate)
Sight Range: 700 (estimate)

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Maokai’s best skill. Just like spidermines, these things do ridiculous amounts of damage and are VERY annoying. When this skill is maxed, it does 460 (!) base damage. It also has a 1:1 AP ratio. Oh, and you can stack a couple of them for lulzy ambush. They’re NOT replacement for wards. They give good vision but they don’t last long enough at all.


[R] Vengeful Maelstrom: It’s a Toggle AoE like Anivia’s ult. Creates an area that reduces all damage to team (except tower damage) by 20% and deals damage once you toggle it off.

Magic Damage: 100 / 150 / 200 (+0.5 per Ability Power)(+2 bonus damage per damage absorbed)
Maximum Bonus Damage: 200 / 250 / 300
Cooldown: 40 / 30 / 20 seconds.
Initial Cost: 75 mana.
Upkeep Cost: 30 mana.
Range: 575.

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You basically get the EHP equivalent of an extra champion with this ulti (assuming everyone faught until they died that is ). The cooldown is low, especially at level 3, and the damage is very high. The AoE is so big that it’s pretty hard to NOT fight in this thing.


Passive: “Each time a champion near Maokai casts a spell, he gains a charge of Magical Sap. When he has 5 charges, his next melee attack will drain energy from his target, healing Maokai for 7.5 % of his maximum health”


Comments:+ Show Spoiler +
It’s a powerful passive, to say the least. It provides maokai with lanestaying power, but it really shines in teamfights since everyone is spamming spells around you, making Maokai impossible to kill. Maokai’s own skills charges this passive.



Summoner Spells:

Ghost + Ignite. + Show Spoiler +
Ghost for chase + getting close enough to use root. Ignite for a ridiculous early -> midgame burst.Teleport can be better than ignite in arranged teams, so you can pull off stunts like stealing half the enemy jungle at the start or getting easy dragons.


Masteries:


9/0/21

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Pretty standard I think. Maokai doesn’t need SoS. He’s definitely going to run oom before he runs out of health so who cares. The combined 9% cdr is pretty useful.


Runes:

Quints: Movement speed x 3.+ Show Spoiler +
Having a slightly higher movement speed is always useful for a champion like maokai, since frequently you only need to be slightly faster than your target to catch up and root a target, netting you the kill. 4.5% extra movespeed brings his pathetic 305 base movespeed to a sexy 318. Add to that the 3% from the utility tree and you start out with 328 movespeed.

Marks: Magic pen x 9

Seals and Glyphs: Magic Resistance per level x 9. + Show Spoiler +
I use magic resistance per level on both seals and glyphs. This nets him an extra 40 MR at level 18. This is because of my item choices, which will not allow for too many big-ticket MR items.


But he’ll run out of mana if you don’t use MP5 runes!”.+ Show Spoiler +
Actually he is going to run oom either way. Stacking your entire runeslots with mp5 runes will delay his oomness by maybe 2 creepwaves, which is pretty pointless since everytime he goes back he buys more mana or mp5 items anyways, so your net gain isn’t all that much.



Skilling Order:

E,Q,E,W,E,R, then R>E>Q>W

“Why you no level W over Q? Root duration is powerful!”. + Show Spoiler +
Sure, having 1 extra second of root sounds great, but the damage increase is pitiful, and the cooldown on W is way too long to be worth it. Leveling Q brings the pathetic 23% slow to a beastly 48% slow. The cooldown low enough that you can fire 2 of them off in a trade.


“Why you take Q and not W at level 2!?”+ Show Spoiler +
Mostly because it’s a little too early to use W without getting your face stuffed in after your root wears off. The damage isn’t really that impressive and the ridiculous scaling on your E hasn’t kicked in yet. Plus, at level 3, E + Q kills all three ranged minions. Last-hitting the ranged minions is usually difficult for melee champs. Having a way to get all of them early on is very good for your cs.


“Why level R? You still only get 20% damage reduction?!” + Show Spoiler +
For 1 point you still end up getting at least an extra 50 damage on your burst, or an extra 100 potential damage in a teamfight in a huge AoE blast. Also, the cooldown is reduced by 10 seconds. The mana cost doesn’t go up, so why not?



Item build:

Dring
Dring
Dring
Merc Treads
Spirit visage/Glacial Shroud (in whichever order you need more, then finish the other one)
Frozen heart

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For a final itembuild that costs 7k gold, you get a total of 45AP, 2.5k HP, 200armor, and around 125MR and 39% cdr.. With your passive and ultimate they really won’t be able to kill you. Meanwhile you’re spamming a 50% slow on a 3.6second cooldown pretending to be nunu and rooting people every 7 seconds.

The itembuild is very fluid so have to make adjustments based on:
- Whether you can control both team’s blue buffs
- Whether anyone else on your team needs blue buff
- Whether anyone on your team will be building soul shroud

Depending whether you can get cdr from blue buff or soul shroud, ditch spirit visage for catalyst and then build it into banshees. Do NOT build catalyst before 3drings. The 45AP from the drings is very powerful on maokai and will help him burst his opponent senseless.



Maokai gameplay

Before minion spawn: Start the game with doran’s rings. If your team is up for it, 5-man invade the enemy’s red buff. You can jack the wraiths with 2 + 1 saplings while your team takes the red buff. Leaving the enemy jungler with half a jungle to work with. Use your own judgment whether you want to jack their wraiths like this, however. Maokai really doesn’t use a whole lot of mana the first two levels, so even if you use 3 saplings on the wraiths you will regen enough mana by level 3 to farm the ranged minions, and the exp from wraith generally will make up for it.

Laning: Take a solo lane. Solotop would be ideal. Solomid can work too. Levels 1-2 just try to last hit as best as you can without eating too much harass. Toss a couple of sapling at the enemy if you have mana to spare but avoid pushing the lane too hard; your time will come.

At level 3, toss E into ranged minions and then Q. This gets you 3 cs everytime, allowing you to farm comfortably against anyone really. Melee minions are much easier to farm as well. After a couple of waves you probably pushed up to the enemy tower and are low on mana. Recall to buy another doran’s ring.

Once you are level 5 you can really start beating on your opponent if they overextend. Get in range, toss an E directly at your opponent, and then root them in place. Your sapling will be guaranteed to hit them + explode in their face. This does a LOT of damage. If they’re standing back, E + Q to kill the ranged minions, wait for E to come off cooldown, and then toss another E at them; they won’t have ranged minions to attact the attention of the derplings so they’ll have no choice but to run around and be denied a LOT of farm.

Once you hit level 7 that’s when maokai becomes ridiculous. Sapling will 1-shot ranged creeps, so you just 1-shot ranged creeps and then zone them completely with another sapling. If they dare to come farm, nuke the shit out of them with E + W + Q. You also have ignite to let you get a kill.

Remember, Maokai’s “thing” is to push his tower 24/7. This isn’t a bad thing for him because he can continue to harass and deny last hits even after he pushes the wave, and it frees up a lot of time for him to gank or buy + get mana back.

Midgame:

Your saplings are a great poking/seige tool. You can toss them as much as you want, since unlike Cho Gath, using your skills to poke doesn’t make you use up valuable cc.

Saplings can be stacked in a brush for ambushing. You can basically 1-shot someone if they walk into 3 saplings + all your skills + ignite.

I will update this section a little more later on.

In teamfights

PLACE YOUR ULT PROPERLY. I.e. place it before all the damage is being dealt, but after forcing commitment from the enemy team.

Spam your Q. It’s a wonderful slow. Use W to help you position your Q to hit multiple people.

Saplings still deals good damage. Toss it at their squishies and then burst them down when they get low enough.

Don’t go off chasing after their carry right from the start. You’re a tanky caster, not a tanky DPS so you lack sustained damage. Only jump on their carry once they’re low enough to be bursted. Until then, just be a good cc-bot for your team.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
April 06 2011 18:28 GMT
#2
Why didn't you just post this in the Maokai thread?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 18:30:14
April 06 2011 18:30 GMT
#3
On April 07 2011 03:08 Juicyfruit wrote:
I do believe the knockback creates a ministun that stops channeling and stops the usage of abilities and attacks by a fraction of a second.


it doesn't
did you even bother to test any of this guide or is it theorycrafting
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 06 2011 18:31 GMT
#4
On April 07 2011 03:30 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 03:08 Juicyfruit wrote:
I do believe the knockback creates a ministun that stops channeling and stops the usage of abilities and attacks by a fraction of a second.


it doesn't
did you even bother to test any of this guide or is it theorycrafting


Lol I never had an ultied channel to stop when I played Maokai. I do know you don't do anything while you're being bumped though.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 06 2011 18:32 GMT
#5
I can understand accidentally creating a new thread accidentally if it shifted past the first page, but the Maokai thread is still on the first page. Come on.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 06 2011 18:33 GMT
#6
Or maybe I feel the other one didn't have a quality opening post so I decided to make a new one before that one took off?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 06 2011 18:34 GMT
#7
i can't speak for all channels but i am 100% that it doesn't stop nunu or malzahar ults

it DOES knock teemo out of stealth though
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 06 2011 18:35 GMT
#8
really? I could've sworn I'd knocked Malz and WW out of their ults with W -> Q (I assumed it was the Q that interupted them).
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Morphx2
Profile Joined March 2011
147 Posts
April 06 2011 18:37 GMT
#9
well, this thread is better than the one i started
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 18:41:13
April 06 2011 18:40 GMT
#10
On April 07 2011 03:33 Juicyfruit wrote:
Or maybe I feel the other one didn't have a quality opening post so I decided to make a new one before that one took off?


So if I dont feel that your post is a quality starting post I should just a third Maokai post on the front page? I fail to see the logic in that.

OPs have updated posts with updated guides or better information before.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 18:44:36
April 06 2011 18:44 GMT
#11
Being a dick much? You do seriously have a problem with me creating a better starting point of discussion so that it actually matches the quality of other champion threads, or should I just ask this thread to be deleted right now?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 18:52:14
April 06 2011 18:48 GMT
#12
On April 07 2011 03:33 Juicyfruit wrote:
Or maybe I feel the other one didn't have a quality opening post so I decided to make a new one before that one took off?

As a matter of precedent, I think it should be an issue of consensus for a new thread to get started replacing an old one, rather than just one person's opinion. If I recall, there was that Kassadin thread that recommended smite for laning that everyone pretty much called a joke before Uta posted his Kass thread, so its not like threads don't get replaced.

But yeah, if everyone went starting threads as they pleased because they don't consider the existing ones adequate it would be...not great.

On April 07 2011 03:44 Juicyfruit wrote:
Being a dick much? You do seriously have a problem with me creating a better starting point of discussion so that it actually matches the quality of other champion threads, or should I just ask this thread to be deleted right now?

It's more that the other thread hasn't even been out for a day, so the OP could very easily edit in some of the feedback from the posts below it. You didn't give that thread a chance to clean itself up before dismissing it entirely.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 18:54:56
April 06 2011 18:52 GMT
#13
I did it because I saw a different thread being started that didn't really have adequate amount of information in the opening post, and rather than let it go on for 5 pages like this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166890

I think I'll just start a new one now.

Mods are free to delete my thread anytime if they think I'm doing something wrong.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 06 2011 18:57 GMT
#14
oh, btw, flash > ghost on Maokai IMHO. You can pull some crazy far away burst shit with toss sapline -> flash -> root to ensure double sap hit + your Q and R.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 06 2011 19:01 GMT
#15
On April 07 2011 03:35 Mogwai wrote:
really? I could've sworn I'd knocked Malz and WW out of their ults with W -> Q (I assumed it was the Q that interupted them).


100% positive Q doesn't work on malzahar. maybe W was doing it
as for warwick, i was playing mid WW with a maokai on my team and he kept Qing people that i was ulting. it actually knocked ME out of my ult, cutting it short. happened 3 times in one game. supa frustrating.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Morphx2
Profile Joined March 2011
147 Posts
April 06 2011 19:10 GMT
#16
i was going to update the other thread, but this one is fine

I did go for flash instead of ghost for the surprise

I still went HP quints and not movement speed. I feel that i dont need to move THAT much starting the game since I mainly toss my saps. Flash lets me close in or run away.

I was solo top vs annie. That poor girl could not do ANYTHING.

I do like the 3 doran ring, merc tread, spirit visage, glacial. Worked really well in the laning phase.



Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 19:31:55
April 06 2011 19:31 GMT
#17
I need to test this, but my speculation is that for malzahar's ult, if he casts it at max range and your Q knocks him slightly further away, it'll interrupt the channel since he'll be out of range.

In which case Q will probably work well enough on certain channeled spells (fiddle, malz, maybe WW?) and not at all on others (nunu, kats)
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
April 06 2011 20:34 GMT
#18
Q does knock out Kat of her ult, that's what I can be sure of since I once played a game where my Q was the ONLY interrupt skill on the whole team and everything kinda depended on me landing it.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 06 2011 20:53 GMT
#19
Malzahar's Ult is like Fiddle Drain, you can move him around and it doesn't matter as long as he stays in range.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
April 06 2011 21:13 GMT
#20
holy shit, my eyes hurt from reading this, mind using black text?

or at the very least, spoiler the 'in-depth' shit
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
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