EPT[Champion] Jarman the Fourth (aka Jarvan ok) - Page 20
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
my issue is not knowing what to get past philo/hog/boots2 tried phage, but it seems kinda meh, sorta like buying triforce. alot of utility, but not much focus. brutalizer worked well for dps jarv, but do you have any suggestions for a tankier initiating jarv? | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On July 25 2011 11:23 Kaneh wrote: having gone to 0/21/9 philo>hog jungle, i am never going back to wriggles. so much more stable and you make a huge impact on lanes. my issue is not knowing what to get past philo/hog/boots2 tried phage, but it seems kinda meh, sorta like buying triforce. alot of utility, but not much focus. brutalizer worked well for dps jarv, but do you have any suggestions for a tankier initiating jarv? I don't know, I keep playing around with both 21/0/9 wriggles and 0/21/9 philo+hog, and I can't help but like the faster clearing more offensive opening. I feel so useless before level 6 with opening philo+hog, and neglecting the lifesteal from wriggles really slows you down since you can't heal up on camps after a gank or something. Will keep trying 0/21/9 here and there, but I'm leaning towards 21/0/9 right now. W.R.T. items, I'd just go straight for either a negatron -> bveil/FoN if the opposing team has a lot of disables or a chain vest into randuins if you need the extra armor. If you're opening with such defensive masteries and items, I figure you may as well not beat around the bush and start building your big items like FoN/randuins, not to mention the fact that chain vest and negatron are two of the most cost effiicient resistance-granting items in the game the last time I checked. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Off-topic: How can chain-vest and negatron be cost effective when they're white items in which you build into bigger items? Me confused. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On July 25 2011 12:25 Sponkz wrote: I know i might get bashed on for this, but i would totally go for a sunfire cape if 0/21/9. Gives you some much needed health+the passive is nice. Off-topic: How can chain-vest and negatron be cost effective when they're white items in which you build into bigger items? Me confused. Name an item that gives you more armor per gold spent than Chain Vest. Name an item that gives you more MR per gold spent than Negatron. They don't exist. If you're looking purely for armor or MR, Chain Vest and Negatron are as good as it gets. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
Other (bigger) pieces gain other stats, so you compare the other base items to that. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 25 2011 12:30 Sponkz wrote: Yeah of course, but when talking cost efficiency aren't you basing that calculation (either armor or mres) from chain vest/negatron? All the armour and magic resist item give something that's usually terrible like health regen, or mana, or else you pay a lot for something that might not be useful most of the time (wardens mail, sunfire cape). | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
That's literally the only reason I'm favouring 21/0/9 right now, I just hate being so low so fast, if you can gank a lane and such after blue/wolves you can do it opening more offensive, whereas you feel so passive before philo+hog+wriggles.... My jungle playstyle is lots of countering, lots of ganking/pressure, I just have such a hard time doing that with 0/21/9 but I see you play pretty aggressive on stream with jungle jarman. How do you do it???? Might be because I don't have the attack speed runes, but how much more Aspd does 3 runes really give? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
Wraiths are the ones that hurt the most. I just EQ into them all and then focus the big one first rather than microing my passive on all the wraiths. Have tried to do what you do, lining them up for Q, but then I find the big one lasts too long and the same amount of damage gets done. Not a big deal, just wondering if I was doing anything that's incredibly wrong. I'll practice it. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On August 03 2011 00:48 Craton wrote: Guinsoo had an ominous tweet about Jarvan. Best guess is he was alluding to the change they're doing with cataclysm (so you can flash it without bringing Jarvan along) being a nerf. 'Cause if its anything else (aka another nerf) they're goddamn crazy. I don't even see it as a problem entirely.... I can understand taking it out when the target is using summoner flash, but if you're using a dash like corki's valkyrie and the dash concludes before Jarvan's animation finishes, I don't see a problem with jarvan following his target? The problem is with the coding - they'll never be able to take it out with flash and leave it in using skills. | ||
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