EPTIs cloth+5pot the only viable opener?
I like aegis but it felt like my gold farm was significantly decreased from the HoG nerf. Would it be possible to open regrowth into philo for the jungle?
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
Is cloth+5pot the only viable opener? I like aegis but it felt like my gold farm was significantly decreased from the HoG nerf. Would it be possible to open regrowth into philo for the jungle? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 03 2011 03:58 BloodNinja wrote: So what are the viable starting items for jungle mumu now? Is cloth+5pot the only viable opener? I like aegis but it felt like my gold farm was significantly decreased from the HoG nerf. Would it be possible to open regrowth into philo for the jungle? Sapphire + 2 pots works, but you have to take a different jungle route because you need to return to the fountain earlier- still should have enough gold to buy boots though. Typically a first jungle run will last between roughly 2:00 and 3:40, so in those 100 seconds a regrowth pendant will regen 300 HP, plus one health pot, that comes up to 500 HP so slightly more total healing than Sapphire + 2 pots, so I guess it could also work. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:06 Zato-1 wrote: Sapphire + 2 pots works, but you have to take a different jungle route because you need to return to the fountain earlier- still should have enough gold to buy boots though. Typically a first jungle run will last between roughly 2:00 and 3:40, so in those 100 seconds a regrowth pendant will regen 300 HP, plus one health pot, that comes up to 500 HP so slightly more total healing than Sapphire + 2 pots, so I guess it could also work. Hmmm, I may have to try this. It had been awhile since I played amumu in a a game so maybe I just was not used to it. It jsut felt like my gold had taken a serious hit from my memories of getting a HoG or 2 upfront. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 03 2011 03:58 BloodNinja wrote: So what are the viable starting items for jungle mumu now? Is cloth+5pot the only viable opener? I like aegis but it felt like my gold farm was significantly decreased from the HoG nerf. Would it be possible to open regrowth into philo for the jungle? I've been opening regrowth+1pot for amumu jungle for a while now. The only problem with that opener is that you pretty much have to start at blue, otherwise you have serious mana problems. I tried doing the small golems -> wraiths -> wolves -> recall route, but I find that sometimes I'm too low on mana after the first wraiths camp and it takes too long to complete wolves and I have to recall before wolves. Starting at blue though, is completely fine as with regrowth+1pot you have plenty of hp to complete the jungle run, especially if you have your teammates help you at blue. I don't like going cloth+5pot because the cloth armor is more or less dead weight until/unless you get Randuins or Aegis, which I don't really like to do. Philo stone is also insane in that it lets you be much more active about ganking without blue pilling while not losing out on too much farm. I like going regrowth+1pot, then philo, boots, one hog, into w/e tank items I need; usually a sunfire + fon as the "core," with abyssal, frozen heart, randuins, banshees, etc... as needed depending on enemy team comp. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
If counterjungled I can go twingols-wraiths-wolves or wolves-twingols-wraiths (obviously the first is preferable), use 1/2 pots and b with enough gold for boots and another pot or a ward. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
On May 03 2011 04:06 Zato-1 wrote: Sapphire + 2 pots works, but you have to take a different jungle route because you need to return to the fountain earlier- still should have enough gold to buy boots though. ?????? I run Sapphire + 2 pots and jungle normally. In fact, a bunch of people have expressed surprise and dismay at start of games as I open this and go to blue and I laugh in their face when I come out the same. The only real issue is that it takes two passes to finish Cata (you get ~450 per pass on average) so you're offensively very slow or at risk. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:18 Southlight wrote: ?????? I run Sapphire + 2 pots and jungle normally. In fact, a bunch of people have expressed surprise and dismay at start of games as I open this and go to blue and I laugh in their face when I come out the same. The only real issue is that it takes two passes to finish Cata (you get ~450 per pass on average) so you're offensively very slow or at risk. Can you do Blue -> Wolves -> Wraiths -> Golems -> Red before porting back if you start Sapphire + 2 pots? Because that's what I do when I open Cloth Armor + 5 pots, which lets me get boots, a ward and still have plenty left over for more pots on the first time back to base. That's what I mean by having to take a different jungle route. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
Edit: First back always gets me the Ruby, which is why I said three passes to finish Cata. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:05 freelander wrote: why would you do red if you go home before ganking? you waste 40 sec of the red buff.. Prevent it from getting stolen/respawn timing? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:05 freelander wrote: why would you do red if you go home before ganking? you waste 40 sec of the red buff.. Gank with full health as opposed to 60-80%? | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
On April 13 2011 00:53 Southlight wrote: Lanemumu Mostly the same. Switched gold quints to flat armor, open Pstone into Abyssal into whatever, usually based on game and damage output. If I need armor then I'll get a relatively quick Funfire, otherwise straight to AP. Ideal armor item if you're not in a hurry is Hourglass, as the statue effect is hilarious on a tanky tank. You'll usually find that you have high armor/MR with the strat but die relatively quick anyways due to the low max HP, so you if you want you can try to supplement with Rod of Ages and such, but yeah. Sunfire or Rylai definitely increase survivability a fair bit from the HP but he'll hit like a truck if you get AP so it's a delicate balance :> Also this strat confuses me, makes no sense, but is my #1 tryhard for some reason. Yeah, this game makes sense. umad, Ashe? | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
A lowly level 12 here, and I've had mixed results while laning with Amumu. Is jungling strictly better for this champ? | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
there are champs who he can farm ok against in lane, but there are no champs he beats clearly. in the jungle he can reliably farm with his aoe spells edit: you need armor runes on him to jungle. probably you cant do it without a lot of help on a lvl 12 account | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
I used to do it when i was around level 15, but that was quite a few patches ago. But with the leash change and some help from your team you should be able to do it. Once you get the blue buff it's piece of cake after, just recall before the red, buy boots, get lizard and gank. Still best way to know is just try in a practice game | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
On May 10 2011 17:10 419 wrote: Hello -- pardon the nub question, but judging from the discussion am I to infer that jungle Amumu is not viable without a full rune set? It's feasible, but not safe, prone to counterjungling, slow, and costly (from a gold perspective). Reasoning is fairly simple - compared to other junglers he doesn't have sustainability, so that his HP is always on a constant decline (as opposed to others than jungle and regain/stay stable). Proper runesets blunt this decline and make him proportionally safer, faster, and more flexible. Also, one of (if not) the best junglmumu openings is impossible without the proper runesets (Cata opening). | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
You will lose out on some item and path options by being lower level, but having a jungler is still probably on the whole better than not having one, at least in my experience. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I'm assuming Cata first ---> boots --> Aegis parts --> etc (Sunfire/BV/Abyssal/usual stuff)? | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
Pstone -> Abyssal -> Deathcap/Funfire -> etc. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Edit: And wait, Amumu solo lane? My brain is breaking.... | ||
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