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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
level4 jungle path (maybe) abyssal - tell me when to get it guys sorc shoes when not doing azingy build? maybe? runes? yall fine with them? and grammar check thx Simberto and Sandster, big help so far :3 how to deal with counterjungle I'll be back in about an hour, gotta do stuff | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Grammar nitpicking] + Target's is the possessive. Correct usage. Armor Seals are mandatory for jungling, absolutely necessary to reduce the damage from jungle creeps. This sentence reads a little weird. A very good skill for ganks, fights and to spiderman in jungle Be consistent - ganks, fights are in one form, but then you throw in the infinitive 'to spiderman' for ganking, fighting, and hopping over walls in the jungle or to gank, to fight, and to spiderman in the jungle. Is W really better than E level 1? I thought we did some math saying that E was more DPS and DPM? It's DEFINITELY better if you're getting shoved away from your own blue buff and need to clear some small camps instead. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Should there be mentions that a mid-laner with strong early game strongly complements Amumu, whose 1-5 is really sad? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On November 06 2012 01:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: You're only pointing out the worst possible case scenario when not pointing out the best possible case scenario: you get a kill/opponent's top lane has to b and you have a level 3 top lane vs a level 1 top lane. Also if you kill them/force them to b/damage them heavily enough then a countergank won't be as strong. And if you time it right, YOU WON'T PUSH THE WAVE ENOUGH FOR IT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, all you'll do is force your opponent to get zoned off of xp as creeps die after next wave has squared off. Your risk/reward analysis is really bad because you're severely overestimating the risk and completely not calculating the reward part of it. Okay so you have level 2 amumu with no red buff and we're ganking as soon as we kill blue so the lane's pretty even in the middle we have bandage toss and e combo doing about 150ish damage to a target without magic resist runes, add an auto and even if he has 0 armour thats 200 damage we have a level 1 laner with 500-600 hp and level 1 ignite does about 70 damage, so your top laner is going to need to do A LOT of damage to him to kill him if he flashes away. And forcing him to b? He has 3, probably 4 potions, he just burns 2 pots and a flash which sounds pretty good but that seems to me best case scenario unless the laners were fighting from the second they got into lane and this scenario definitely pushes the lane because autos draw aggro and you're forcing the guy away from last hits. It just doesnt seem to be a good situation. I'm level 3 or 4 with red and blue buff I have a laner that's level 2 or 3 and presumably it's pushed by now and my laner and I can chase him down without needing to use Q until he flashes thanks to red buff slow and extra spells, this guy will be taking a lot more than 300 damage if he even survives and the lane may well be freezeable too depending on how hard it was pushing. If you have replays of your level 2 ganks working out really well for you I'd be glad to see them. Also at the early stages of the game it's next to impossible to "not make a difference" in the lane direction if you do anything at all. (Unless you just Q E don't auto and your laner does nothing and you did nothing but made him waste 1 pot) | ||
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mockturtle
United States220 Posts
On November 06 2012 02:27 sylverfyre wrote: Spoilered because it's kinda off topic. + Show Spoiler [Grammar nitpicking] + Target's is the possessive. Correct usage. Armor Seals are mandatory for jungling, absolutely necessary to reduce the damage from jungle creeps. This sentence reads a little weird. A very good skill for ganks, fights and to spiderman in jungle Be consistent - ganks, fights are in one form, but then you throw in the infinitive 'to spiderman' for ganking, fighting, and hopping over walls in the jungle or to gank, to fight, and to spiderman in the jungle. Is W really better than E level 1? I thought we did some math saying that E was more DPS and DPM? It's DEFINITELY better if you're getting shoved away from your own blue buff and need to clear some small camps instead. I was under the impression that in a perfect leash scenario E is superior because of the damage reduction, but perfect leashes are a lot to ask for so I get W first anyway. Also, something not brought up in the guide that I'm very curious about is how you guys (as in, much better amumu players) differ your build based on whether or not you have a midlaner who needs blue. If you have a katarina or vlad in mid, blue is all yours whenever you want it, making mana regen (and perhaps even CDR) less vital... so how would you change it up? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
You don't really change your build depending on if midlaner gets blue or not, you go philostone into aegis/shurelyas anyway, you do play a bit different simply because you can clear jungle a tiny bit faster because you can spiderman into camps so you have more time to do funky stuff like ganking but that's kinda it. it's not deal breaking or a game changer in a big way no. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 06 2012 02:35 Sufficiency wrote: Scip: Should there be mentions that a mid-laner with strong early game strongly complements Amumu, whose 1-5 is really sad? his pre 6 is better than a lot of junglers | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 06 2012 03:32 zulu_nation8 wrote: or you can just not level anything until you have to Like I already said...post 1:40 invade. It's pretty common for teams to invade after wolves already spawn and catch you transitioning to blue. On November 06 2012 03:33 zulu_nation8 wrote: his pre 6 is better than a lot of junglers Yeah - just is level 1 is weak. Once he gets to 3 he does decently with all the burst from Q+auto(passive)+E, and sustained damage from W/E. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
so you naturally go to your red buff, which you can do better with W than with E. After that you get lvl2 so it doesn't matter past that point. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
I'll leave it at that, because I'm not writing the guide. Just for the record, I think you're all quite intelligent and I admire the effort you're putting in. I think we just clash on personality issues because this is the internet and ego gets in the way. GL HF | ||
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mockturtle
United States220 Posts
On November 06 2012 02:52 Scip wrote: without leash W is about 2-3 seconds faster on red buff, so it should be same for blue buff. With any leash at all W is better because E loses damage when you aren't attacked. So W is better. You don't really change your build depending on if midlaner gets blue or not, you go philostone into aegis/shurelyas anyway, you do play a bit different simply because you can clear jungle a tiny bit faster because you can spiderman into camps so you have more time to do funky stuff like ganking but that's kinda it. it's not deal breaking or a game changer in a big way no. That doesn't really make sense to me. Once your first blue wears off, my biggest concern is mana regen (so i can actually farm jungles/lanes without backing all the time, let alone have enough juice left to fight) and my biggest offensive concern is CDR. hogging the blue buff all to yourself means that you have 20% CDR and effectively infinite mana whenever it's up, which is maximum 3 minute out of every 5 minutes. This doesn't effect how you play/item build at all? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
pretty glorious also 5hitcombo lol about egos and personalities clashing I'm pretty sure the points i made as to why I don't like level 2 ganking are all valid and who cares about anything else I tested more haunting guise, don't like it really, amumu isn't really as bursty assasinny as malphite is with his ult I find being tanky seems to be better. Abyssal is still probably worth it a lot of the time it's a team aura as well but I'm probably going to go back to shurelya aegis frozen heart sorcs or mercs or tabi with a negatron in there somewhere. Malphite with sorcs chalice haunting guise into abyssal is actually a good build against certain laners (vlad and shit) and when you hit level 16 you have retarded burst that why I was trying it on amumu. Also the current jungle is a fucking joke xp/gold wise. Like an hour ago I was 8/0 on amumu at around 20 mins or something and I was just about to hit level 10 and both mid laners were level 12 and both died more than once. What the fuck? At least if your laners die you can farm their lane and get hella xp but right now if your laners are doing good you just get shit for xp (especially if your mid laner wants wraiths and blue, and bot lane takes golems and red, good luck farming wolves from level 9 onwards) | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:53 Slayer91 wrote: If you get blues you can get ninja tabi dolans shield aegis into frozen heart and tower dive shit all day pretty glorious also 5hitcombo lol about egos and personalities clashing I'm pretty sure the points i made as to why I don't like level 2 ganking are all valid and who cares about anything else I tested more haunting guise, don't like it really, amumu isn't really as bursty assasinny as malphite is with his ult I find being tanky seems to be better. Abyssal is still probably worth it a lot of the time it's a team aura as well but I'm probably going to go back to shurelya aegis frozen heart sorcs or mercs or tabi with a negatron in there somewhere. Malphite with sorcs chalice haunting guise into abyssal is actually a good build against certain laners (vlad and shit) and when you hit level 16 you have retarded burst that why I was trying it on amumu. Also the current jungle is a fucking joke xp/gold wise. Like an hour ago I was 8/0 on amumu at around 20 mins or something and I was just about to hit level 10 and both mid laners were level 12 and both died more than once. What the fuck? At least if your laners die you can farm their lane and get hella xp but right now if your laners are doing good you just get shit for xp (especially if your mid laner wants wraiths and blue, and bot lane takes golems and red, good luck farming wolves from level 9 onwards) 5hatcombo* also dolans shield is the greatest thing ive ever seen | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
and when people complain about my double dolans shield builds top lane for example im just like gooby pls also in season 2 5hit played 26 amumu games scipaeus121212 played 100 just sayin~ | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
(totally lied, my recall is off, i only had 73 ranked games with him s1) Also I've been playing this game since beta as primarily a jungle main and I considered amumu as my second or third main jungler throughout The point where I was top 200 on NA ladder I mained amumu and chogath | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
-One of the most common mistakes I see with new junglers is that they initiate with their gap closer when it's not necessary. I'm sure we've all seen the Lee that camps a lane for 30 secs, finally goes in, and misses his Q and leaves. Probably worth commenting that you want to just walk up from behind and just beat up the guy whenever possible, and bandage when they blow their flash/escape. -I know it's obvious, but the reason Amumu is feared is because of his ult. I would just make that more clear in the guide. It's one of the most game changing abilities in the game, and also has one of the longest cds. + Show Spoiler + Small grammar nitpick - "CCing the enemy isn't very useful when only you *and the* support are still alive." | ||
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