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On March 29 2011 03:59 Mogwai wrote:yea, I guess I just don't get how people are attacking enough with Alistar lategame to feel like Triforce was worth the 4K gold they spent on it. Even with crazy movespeed I still feel like I'm spending all of my time in teamfights repositioning and using abilities. I typically run something like boots -> philo -> boots of mobility -> HoG -> Aegis + Soul Shroud + Reverie in some order -> Omen + Banshee's or FoN in some order. I dunno, I'm pretty amateur with Cow I guess, but I still just hate the Triforce builds and don't understand why people do them  .
I use teamfights like that when I am AP, triforce build is pro because their carrys never saw you coming.
Oh and you actually act like a Yi with CC who cant be killed in teamfights.
And I guess you didnt play vs some pro AD alistar, its just too damn awesome.
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sheen alistar hits towers really hard. Great for split pushing
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but then he's not with your team to teamfight and teamfighting is his greatest skill -_-
if I wanted to buttsehks a carry, I'd play someone who can actually buttsehks a carry, not Alistar. I mean, why would I pick alistar and grab triforce so that I could slowly kill a carry when I could just pick jarman and build 100% tank and rape their carry three times as fast? It just seems like you're playing the character in the wrong role.
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On March 29 2011 05:39 Mogwai wrote:
but then he's not with your team to teamfight and teamfighting is his greatest skill -_-
if I wanted to buttsehks a carry, I'd play someone who can actually buttsehks a carry, not Alistar. I mean, why would I pick alistar and grab triforce so that I could slowly kill a carry when I could just pick jarman and build 100% tank and rape their carry three times as fast? It just seems like you're playing the character in the wrong role.
In a full on 5v5, Alistar might not look as appealing as say Jarman but Cow can pick off champions much more easily. Trinity just has a good array of stats, same reason why any melee DPS champ builds a Trinity. HP/MS/Sheen proc. And Sheen proc is amazing. Cow has great base damage. Q auto, W auto, E auto, that adds up to a lot of damage in about 5 seconds. And two of the moves are CC.
Not to mention tower push with/without team with Sheen is just stupid. 1 level of E at level 4 and you're set.
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On March 29 2011 05:39 Mogwai wrote:
but then he's not with your team to teamfight and teamfighting is his greatest skill -_-
if I wanted to buttsehks a carry, I'd play someone who can actually buttsehks a carry, not Alistar. I mean, why would I pick alistar and grab triforce so that I could slowly kill a carry when I could just pick jarman and build 100% tank and rape their carry three times as fast? It just seems like you're playing the character in the wrong role.
You got it wrong, alistar doesnt kill the carrys, slowly.
He fucking demolishes then and throws them into your team, and alistar with ulti + triforce + ghostblade is a yi on steroids.
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or I could build CDR and be way more disruptive and just let my team rape the carry when I throw him into them. why would your team care about Alistar doubling his shitty damage output when they want to blow their load on your target anyway? I dunno, it just feels like a dumb build to me.
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comparing yi and alistar is silly
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Triforce does really bump up the damage he does and it's not like you need survivability for the 6 seconds your ult is up.
Most importantly, it practically triples your braveness, making it easier to initiate.
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Actually Alistars should just knock carries out of the fight and keep them out, making the other team 4v4 without damage.
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it's all situational. but yea, he's one disruptive mothafugga and I don't see a reason to itemize damage with him at all.
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It's pretty funny when an Alistar 1v1's a carry with zerkers and ghostblade though. I don't know, Alistar just seems viable anyway you build him, EXCEPT for full tank.
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I dunno what qualifies as full tank, but again, I love Reverie, Soul Shroud, Aegis, and Omen for end game.
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Ya that's supportish. I'm talking about the people that decide to go Sunfire Bveil on Alistar -_-
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Hey, skimmed through this thread... Saw (if I remember correctly) Shake talking about Jungle Cow? I tried it out in a few custom games after I saw this... Didn't really work out too well. I've seen it done multiple times in Ranked (~1700 elo), and most of them go cloth + 5 pot, but I don't really know their runes/masteries to be efficient. I look at their pages/setups after game, but they all run different rune/mastery setups. And I tried running mimic pages/setups, still died in jungle/wasn't able to gank at proper times. I'm pretty convinced that I just suck at Alistar or these guys I see are just amazing.
What do I run for runes/masteries to not fail as jungle cow?
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I never talked about jungle cow haha.
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On March 29 2011 09:39 awesomoboi wrote:Hey, skimmed through this thread... Saw (if I remember correctly) Shake talking about Jungle Cow? I tried it out in a few custom games after I saw this... Didn't really work out too well. I've seen it done multiple times in Ranked (~1700 elo), and most of them go cloth + 5 pot, but I don't really know their runes/masteries to be efficient. I look at their pages/setups after game, but they all run different rune/mastery setups. And I tried running mimic pages/setups, still died in jungle/wasn't able to gank at proper times. I'm pretty convinced that I just suck at Alistar or these guys I see are just amazing. What do I run for runes/masteries to not fail as jungle cow?
Ive done jungle cow once or twice, but that was before the jungle changes a few months ago, so I'm not sure what has changed with him
basically what i did with him before was start blue with cloth armor and E for healing yourself..slowly killing golem with auto attacks(no one said cow was fast)
after you have blue you can heal indefinitely so you dont really have issues jungling, though you're still super slow, once you have Pulv you could try a gank(stronger if you have headbutt as well obviously)
tbh cow can probably jungle slightly more easily than before since you can have someone leash for you now
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jungle cow really hard to make work because smite takes up a precious summoner spell and he's soooo slow. much better to have a legit ganking jungler and just roam with him so your ganks are twice as likely to succeed
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On March 29 2011 11:58 gtrsrs wrote:
jungle cow really hard to make work because smite takes up a precious summoner spell and he's soooo slow. much better to have a legit ganking jungler and just roam with him so your ganks are twice as likely to succeed
most definitely
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Jungle Cow
They remove my puntstun because they haet me. I go sulk with the neutrals.
Summoners
Smite/Flash, no exceptions. Need Flash to get into good positions for your pulv still (the radius isn't big enough even after the rework), need Smite to not die in the jungle and for neutral control.
Masteries
9/0/21, standard caster style masteries. You can run 0/9/21 if you prefer, but I like having the extra pen, and the CDR helps when your pulv + headbutt have such high CDs at early levels.
Runes
Quints: HP or MS
Reds: ASPD/ArPen/MPen all work, the first two speed up your jungle; the third makes your ganks do more deepz.
Yellow: Armor
Blue: CDR (flat) or MR/level or ASPD
Skill Order
QEEW or QEQW both work, it's just a matter of preference. Consider it terms of your gank - is the displacement + stun going to be enough that you can go for two levels in E to speed up your jungle, or will you need the little bit of extra damage on Q?
I haven't tried E first, but it might be possible to do blue with it.
R>Q>W/E>W/E after that. I prefer maxing Q/W now because of the CD decrease.
Items
Cloth + Pots
Boots1 (turn into Boots5 or Boots3, depending on what you like to do~)
Sheen
Whatever the fuck you want; you're a cow
How2Play
Have someone leash blue. Pulverize the shit out of it and beat it to death. Smite it blah blah. Next level get E, beat the crap out of wolves and spam it to activate your passive. Trample destroys Wolves/Wraiths, so those camps should go quickly. While on some junglers, it's better to save red until after you buy boots, Alistar's gank potential comes from his displacement ability, so you can grab red on your first run through the jungle, go back for boots, and go gank a lane. Get some gold/5 items if you need them, although your farm in the jungle is usually pretty good relative to what lane/roam Alistar got, so it might not be necessary. You're not farm dependent, but it's nice on you. You also don't need buffs to gank, so if you see an early opportunity and you have Q+W up, go for it.
Puntstun is GONE, so be careful of that when you're trying to gank. Something you can try is stealing the opponent's wraiths on your second run through the jungle and coming out from behind the mid tower to gank. Obviously works better if you have ulti to tank the tower when necessary.
Counterjungling is possible, but you usually don't have enough damage to straight out kill the other jungler, although it's hilariously easy to snipe buffs if you Q+W the enemy jungler away.
The rest plays like your usual Alistar.
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Hmm, I want to try this now
Counterjungling is possible, but you usually don't have enough damage to straight out kill the other jungler, although it's hilariously easy to snipe buffs if you Q+W the enemy jungler away.
Hahaha, I can just see it now
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