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On July 14 2012 17:16 Arisen wrote:
I have a question on support alistar; when do you buy boots? Usually on my first back I have just enough to straight up buy a philo stone and some wards (starting faerie charm, 3 wards, 2 pots). My second back (usually do to some aggressive plays) I can buy boots or start building HoG and I never really know if I should just go boots and delay HoG or rush for it then boots afterwards; Im not very experienced with supports, so having such a low gold income really screws with me :/
Also, after rushing reverie, how do you know what to build into? I usually go either aegis or start building randuins; aegis at the stage of the game you get it starts to seem like it falls off a bit, but it's obviously still good. Randuins is good for obvious reasons, but I just never know when to delay the randuins for an aegis or when to straight rush the randuins.
I usually get boots right after Philostone; from my experience as support ali (and supports in general), I feel like getting boots early helps out a lot
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I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D
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On July 18 2012 09:35 Glenn313 wrote:
I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D
Him and Blitz are the only supports I can truthfully say I have fun supporting with
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On July 20 2012 07:50 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:35 Glenn313 wrote:
I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D Him and Blitz are the only supports I can truthfully say I have fun supporting with
So in other words you like killing people bot lane
I also assume you like to play trist
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On July 20 2012 09:02 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 07:50 arb wrote:On July 18 2012 09:35 Glenn313 wrote:
I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D Him and Blitz are the only supports I can truthfully say I have fun supporting with So in other words you like killing people bot lane I also assume you like to play trist
Actually yes, Graves/Trist have been my favorite ads forever. haha
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On July 20 2012 09:25 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:02 101toss wrote:On July 20 2012 07:50 arb wrote:On July 18 2012 09:35 Glenn313 wrote:
I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D Him and Blitz are the only supports I can truthfully say I have fun supporting with So in other words you like killing people bot lane I also assume you like to play trist Actually yes, Graves/Trist have been my favorite ads forever. haha
Check my ranked stats lol 
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On July 20 2012 09:02 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 07:50 arb wrote:On July 18 2012 09:35 Glenn313 wrote:
I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D Him and Blitz are the only supports I can truthfully say I have fun supporting with So in other words you like killing people bot lane I also assume you like to play trist
Try Leona.
It's interesting to see how Alistar used to be played so long ago, and then see how he's played now. Completely different. Did he get several nerfs or something?
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On July 20 2012 15:25 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:02 101toss wrote:On July 20 2012 07:50 arb wrote:On July 18 2012 09:35 Glenn313 wrote:
I love jungling and supporting as Alistar. :D Him and Blitz are the only supports I can truthfully say I have fun supporting with So in other words you like killing people bot lane I also assume you like to play trist Try Leona. It's interesting to see how Alistar used to be played so long ago, and then see how he's played now. Completely different. Did he get several nerfs or something?
yes. he got massive nerfs across the board. the fact that he's still a top tier pick now should give you an idea of how OP he used to be even though he went far under the radar for a long time.
When I started playing (late 2010), Alistar had higher base stats on everything but mana pool/regen, had 1.0 AP ratio and higher base damages on his Q and W (but his Q had slightly smaller radius, W couldn't target minions, and both had slightly longer cds), Q stunned for 1 second after your targets landed, his E costs half as much mana as it does now and had 0.4 AP ratio, his ulti reduced damage by 75% at all levels (leveling it scaled the duration from 6-8 rather than 7 sec at all levels), and his passive gave him 20-60% additional damage to turrets (which I liked better than his new passive 'cause AD or AP w/ lichbane Ali absolutely wrecked towers).
The only (imo) benefit of modern Ali over old Ali is that Ali now can jungle much more effectively than old Ali, which is definitely a plus since jungle Alistar has crazy ganks. But old Alistar could wreck a lot of solo lanes np and due to his ult could afford to build pure glass cannon and be okay.
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On July 18 2012 08:43 101toss wrote:
I go jungle cow. Moovespeed is key so I go:
hybrid pen reds (it actually works, offers the right pen for jungle creeps), armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, MS quints
0/21/9, focusing on Movespeed
Open boots/3->mobos/philo/hog/money sword depending on gold (if I get FB it's usually mobos)->sheen->triforce (oracles somewhere inbetween)->upgrade gp/5->situational support/defensive items or infinity edge
I've been doing the same but with Armor pen reds (dont have mix pen, not convinced it's worthwhile.)
boots 3pot -> Philo>hog>boots5 [oracle, situational] Glacial Shroud->FH + Shurelia in some order. Core I'd say is Frozen Heart, Shurelia, Aegis. If you somehow need a bit more damage a sheen isn't bad, neither is Ionic spark (spark>wits on cow imo), but I don't really feel you should be trying to bring the deeps as cow.
Not a fan of a third GP5 item, rather just rush to aegis because it will really help your team win a fight at dragon when your whole team outstats the enemy. If I really wanted a third gold item, it'd be Kage's rather than Avarice. Avarice brings very little, at least Kage's brings damage to your combo (and a bit for trample too, so wraith camp actually dies) and sustain for your team for poke wars.
If you have Enlightenment then FH+Shurelia caps your CDR, otherwise you can pick up randiuns eventually. Capped CDR is really important - it helps every aspect of what you bring for your team - massive amounts of CC + sustain for sieging towers/poke wars. Don't be afraid to let your team get into an extended poke war (especially if your support ALSO has a healing ability) using W to prevent hard engages and Q to punish overextension, rather than always going balls deep with WQ combos.
I am absolutely terrible at WQ, and I still feel I play jungle alistar well. When you're coming from the side for a gank rather than from the front, you can just W and walk a path that intercepts their escape route to get in range of a Q (Remember, W has a minisnare after they land.)
Also, abuse those boots5 - you can delay a long time before initiating against champs who you outspeed, to make the most out of your boots5. Just remember that champs with a good movespeed steroid will still outrun you, and you play accordingly compared to champs with fixed-distance dashes (or flash up) or champs with no escapes.
The biggest issue on cow is actually FARMing your jungle. It's ideal if your mid can pick up wraiths often, and you just blow smite on big wolf as your main/only farm camp, as long as there are no objectives to take. Also I usually give red to top/bot at the third spawn and forward - sometimes the second spawn if the situation is right and they are playing a character that can abuse it.
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^on the point about crit (or atkspd) and why I pick up avarice(situational)/triforce(core), it scales well on alistar since he has a 60+ ad steroid.
Heck, I got pd's on alistar before the ms nerf. FH is cool (hue) and all, but moovespeed es #1
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Hey guys, need input on my mid-cow build:
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Basically I go for an AP sion-esque build, focusing on ganking. Basically your standard dring stack/mobos/hat/lich bane build. Or is there some core item I am missing? Do I still focus on MS? Or use AP quints?
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On July 23 2012 05:48 101toss wrote:Hey guys, need input on my mid-cow build: + Show Spoiler +Basically I go for an AP sion-esque build, focusing on ganking. Basically your standard dring stack/mobos/hat/lich bane build. Or is there some core item I am missing? Do I still focus on MS? Or use AP quints?
I'd focus on movespeed still, but make sure you dont neglect farming either
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I'm so bad with jungle cow, especially lately. I dunno wtf to do -_- I think I gank too much and fall way too far behind on farm. How do I fix this? I usually run boots5 and 2x GP10 core.
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In my experience, if you kill people when you gank you don't fall behind on farm!
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even when you don't get much farm Ali's still extremely strong as long as you don't fall to far behind in levels. his skills scale terribly with farm and his ulti gives him so much free EHP. all he really needs are levels for the cd and so his ulti gets much better.
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IDK about not scaling with farm the one thing you really want to farm up is 40% CDR. If you thought 1 pulverize in a fight was scary, 2 within 8 seconds of each other is terrifying! Glacial + any of the Kindlegem upgrades basically covers that.
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I dislike HoG in jungle cow I generally go boots 3 start, early ganks -> Philo -> Sheen -> Glacial -> Shurelyas -> Phage -> FH -> Triforce
With this build you have a ton of health (which is what ali wants,) 40% CDR (also what he wants,) tons of MS, Triforce + the free AD from alistars ult = your not useless after you use Q and W. This is my general outline normally if I get jungle cow (perma banned) I end game with Moboots, glacial, sheen and shurelyas. Games dont goo too late when every opponent lane is behind as fuck.
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On July 14 2012 17:16 Arisen wrote:
I have a question on support alistar; when do you buy boots? Usually on my first back I have just enough to straight up buy a philo stone and some wards (starting faerie charm, 3 wards, 2 pots). My second back (usually do to some aggressive plays) I can buy boots or start building HoG and I never really know if I should just go boots and delay HoG or rush for it then boots afterwards; Im not very experienced with supports, so having such a low gold income really screws with me :/
Also, after rushing reverie, how do you know what to build into? I usually go either aegis or start building randuins; aegis at the stage of the game you get it starts to seem like it falls off a bit, but it's obviously still good. Randuins is good for obvious reasons, but I just never know when to delay the randuins for an aegis or when to straight rush the randuins.
Depends how the lane is going. If I find my AD leaving me hanging to die often, I'll get boots after Philo. I'll usually get them after Heart of Gold.
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i usually forget boots for a while if im supporting and im doing well enough that i can progress through my build well.
