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On July 20 2012 04:13 Slayer91 wrote:
AD reds, armour yellow flats
then either
1: armour quints/mr/lvl blues
2: mr quints/flat mr blues
3: attack speed reds, ad quints (against say irelia who does true damage and don't need resists)
it's almost always 1 or 2.
What about the AD quints I posited earlier for extra [double] tiger proc damage
Oh yeah, one key thing I forgot to mention earlier was to ambush your opponents from behind (this is key to prevent getting kited)
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Btw, do you go 21/9 ou 9/21 ou 0-21-9 (for MS) as top Udyr? I tend to go for 0-21-9 but I'm thinking I should probably lean toward 9-21 with MPen in offensive tree.
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0/21/9 with mana regen. 21/9 and 9/21 also good.
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Hm...Does Udyr viable not only for jungle, but also for solo top? Which role in he is the best? Can someone explain this things to me 
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On July 20 2012 22:38 Navern wrote:Hm...Does Udyr viable not only for jungle, but also for solo top? Which role in he is the best? Can someone explain this things to me
It's really because of how flexible he is thanks to the stance system, letting you play slightly (or even drastically) differently depending on where you go and what you level up. Generally, you do Tiger/Turtle top and Phoenix in jungle. Tiger allows you to almost play an assassin with huge single target damage, Turtle makes you immovable with sustain and shield, Phoenix makes you clear like a beast and gives good damage. Tiger jungle can technically work, but you sacrifice godly clearing speed for gank burst, which generally isn't worth it. Phoenix lane pushes really hard, so generally a bad idea.
So yeah, you can play both, but they're somewhat different playstyles, Phoenix focusing on fast jungle clears and good ganks, Tiger focusing on being a dick in lane.
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Just go through this thread and try to soak up all the wisdom Slayer has laid out for you. Then you will only begin to understand what it is to Udyr top.
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On July 20 2012 22:38 Navern wrote:Hm...Does Udyr viable not only for jungle, but also for solo top? Which role in he is the best? Can someone explain this things to me
Udyr is a great first pick in solo top, he can take on almost any1. He directly counters almost all melee bruisers thanks to his insane melee range damage.
When you pick udyr you can also decide to go jungle, he has very fast clearing speed and strong ganks.
I would say udyr is a VERY strong pick in both lanes and he is a VERY strong first pick in general because of his versatility.
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On July 20 2012 23:34 mordek wrote:
Just go through this thread and try to soak up all the wisdom Slayer has laid out for you. Then you will only begin to understand what it is to Udyr top.
In my eyes i am a Sheldon now. Dont know is it sarcasm or really good advice?
I have read some recent pages about this champ. But dont know how deep i should go, cause there was some changes with patches as i think.
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On July 20 2012 23:42 Navern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 23:34 mordek wrote:
Just go through this thread and try to soak up all the wisdom Slayer has laid out for you. Then you will only begin to understand what it is to Udyr top. In my eyes i am a Sheldon now. Dont know is it sarcasm or really good advice? I have read some recent pages about this champ. But dont know how deep i should go, cause there was some changes with patches as i think.
Yeah I mean I wouldn't go way back since certain things are obsolete etc. but anything recent from Slayer (Teutonica) is coming from the Udyr authority.
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Played Udyr vs Wukong and got a little frustrated by the matchup. I guess i am still trading pretty poorly with him, but still, i almost got him down in poking, then he just presses R and kills me. If i am in the mid of the lane, the only thing that helps is a flash. He will take about 2/3 of my health away once he engages with ult and that is with shield of course 
Any advice for that? I really like the matchup until he got 6.
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On July 20 2012 23:34 mordek wrote:
Just go through this thread and try to soak up all the wisdom Slayer has laid out for you. Then you will only begin to understand what it is to Udyr top.
slayer mains him jungle, so most of his advice is for the jungle ;;
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Wukongs a lot like garen you should just get a fast wriggles maybe a tabi or ruby crystal into phage for some extra hp and don't let him get you too low that he can burst you with ignite. Your healing is pretty important.
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I think I found Udyr's main flaw in the jungle. You never go back till you're killed because you can keep on jungling and ganking and counterjungling and counterganking and dragoning and then suddenly you survive a 1v4 or get a double kill and sit on 3k and you die because you're 1.5k above that guy but he just based so he's actually got better stuff than you.
Maybe I shouldn't buy philo, too much sustain to go back from time to time.
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I have been playing udyr for a some time. I really need some tips on items and runes I have read some recent pages of this topic and now i am have plan like this: "wrigles, mercs, philo, frozen heart". Both for jungle and top. Any advices about my items and other things?
So many discussions about stances, that i almost had thought that items are irrelevant.
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On July 24 2012 01:39 Navern wrote:I have been playing udyr for a some time. I really need some tips on items and runes I have read some recent pages of this topic and now i am have plan like this: "wrigles, mercs, philo, frozen heart". Both for jungle and top. Any advices about my items and other things? So many discussions about stances, that i almost had thought that items are irrelevant.
Wriggle's is unnecessary for Jungle Udyr. You don't benefit from it as much as you would against an AD top laner. You're normally better off getting a Recurve Bow -> Wit's End for damage and increasing clearing speed.
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I play Udyr as a jungler a lot right now and when I first started playing him I always went phoenix. However I found my ganks were not very strong and I never felt like I was helping my team. I switched to tiger in the jungle and while I am a bit slower, I feel my ganks are almost a guaranteed kill if I can get a tiger proc off, and my win rate has improved a lot. I also feel tiger is more suitable in teamfights as Udyr excels at picking out targets and sticking to them. The aoe from phoenix really doesnt seem to synergize as well.
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I guess my advice hinges on whether he is using Phoenix in jungle... I think most would recommend that though.
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On July 24 2012 02:52 YouGotNothin wrote:
I play Udyr as a jungler a lot right now and when I first started playing him I always went phoenix. However I found my ganks were not very strong and I never felt like I was helping my team. I switched to tiger in the jungle and while I am a bit slower, I feel my ganks are almost a guaranteed kill if I can get a tiger proc off, and my win rate has improved a lot. I also feel tiger is more suitable in teamfights as Udyr excels at picking out targets and sticking to them. The aoe from phoenix really doesnt seem to synergize as well.
They both do comparable damage, but phoenix is aoe which is why its better in the jungle.(plus better sustained while tiger is more frontloaded burst)
On July 23 2012 19:37 Alaric wrote:
I think I found Udyr's main flaw in the jungle. You never go back till you're killed because you can keep on jungling and ganking and counterjungling and counterganking and dragoning and then suddenly you survive a 1v4 or get a double kill and sit on 3k and you die because you're 1.5k above that guy but he just based so he's actually got better stuff than you.
Maybe I shouldn't buy philo, too much sustain to go back from time to time.
always buy philo. later in the game the mp5 from it pretty much ensures you never run out of mana(since stances are 35 i think?) plus rev is really good
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I thought I read that Phoenix is comparable damage if you get the proc off. If you lack sticking power (for one reason or another, high mobility from them or low CC from your team), Tiger is technically better for one or two slaps. But yeah, Phoenix stacks up with the AD/AP and proc.
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