EPT[Champion] Udyr - Page 37
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Watch his auto attacks, don't get hit when his W is up, you might lose a cs but he has to miss cs if he wants to save his auto to hit you and W. Once you get out of the early game you can free farm or try to deny/dive him depending on how your team is doing map control wise. You E to him and force him to E and then your next E will catch him and chunk him. Here's an example from yesterday I think I played against an AP kennen. http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/608358/ I did fine in lane, my biggest mistake was losing too many cs to try to damage him. It's easy to lose focus on cs and it's important not to. The game was a lost cause after lane though because we had a jungle and mid main going bot and forcing the bot lane mainers to go jungle and mid  (scumbag fnatic)It's similar to bruiser nidalee, but she's a bigger problem cause of the cougar form. If you respect the auto hits and take the safe auto hits while your shield is up and manage your mana and hp well and once you hit some items you will start to bully them. That kennen is a 2639 elo top lane main player as well it's not just your random scrub. (#6 EUW) | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
The reason I bought hexdrinker was because I had to back I think and I couldn't finish my wits end. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
To be honest I expected you to win lane quite handily in the replay. By that I mean that I expected you to be able to push the lane to his tower, and force him to back whenever you got a trade with kennen because quite frankly it's hard to stay away from udyr all the time if you don't have a slow or on demand stun. Then there's the tendency of damage to stick to kennen and not to udyr. I don't think you won the lane considering you were even on cs in a 0-0 lane with little jungler influence from both sides. Tl:dr expected udyr to win. Though staying about even with a 2600 kennen player when all he wanted was a way to stay even in the lane is still pretty awesome. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Also kennen wasn't trying to stay even, if he was he would focus on csing and not constantly trying to harass me, it's just he couldn't do anything the more I got farmed. AD kennen isn't really a problem either because basically the only threat is his W procs just avoid those and get a wriggles and if there was debate about AP kennen being happy with an even lane AD kennen certainly isn't. Honestly I rarely pick udyr to win lane if I get ahead in cs in any lane I'm happy. I usually first pick him or at least before their top meaning they are the one's who usually pick something that isn't going to lose to him anyway, combine that with udyr being easy to gank early on and I'm happy not to die in the first 15 minutes and I almost always win if I do. I've wrecked some shens with udyr when shens first picked tho, he's also very good against renek if you don't get tower dived by him and his jungler before level 6. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Does he have some hard counters? How does he held his ground against riven or wukong? | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:16 Chexx wrote: thinking about buying udyr for some top or jungle action. Does he have some hard counters? How does he held his ground against riven or wukong? From my experience against Riven it isn't great, you can win the lane if she doesn't abuse you early and you get enough armor (I remember being even vs a Riven and once I had tabi/wriggles I got a kill and had wardens, she couldn't do anything after that). Against Wu I haven't played the lane so no idea but would imagine it would be a farm lane. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:51 schmutttt wrote: From my experience against Riven it isn't great, you can win the lane if she doesn't abuse you early and you get enough armor (I remember being even vs a Riven and once I had tabi/wriggles I got a kill and had wardens, she couldn't do anything after that). Against Wu I haven't played the lane so no idea but would imagine it would be a farm lane. udyr is like, the only champion that can outtrade riven level 1. Seems like he should win the matchup to me. He stomps the shit out of Wu too. General rule of thumb is that if they're strictly Melee vs. Udyr, they're boned. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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czylu
477 Posts
On July 18 2012 16:43 Mogwai wrote: udyr is like, the only champion that can outtrade riven level 1. Seems like he should win the matchup to me. He stomps the shit out of Wu too. General rule of thumb is that if they're strictly Melee vs. Udyr, they're boned. Outside of Lee Sin: His spell vamp burst from W->E/Q will out heal your turtle stance. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I don't care how much you heal if you're aoeing a whole creep wave you automatically aren't going to be a threat to udyr because now your lane is pushing and you have to be worried about having W up to get away from ganks if you don't have a ward and you can't harass me under tower either. Your main problem is early jungle ganks because you can die easily and you're often screwed if you fall behind early. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:43 Slayer91 wrote: Just bear stance is enough you won't be running out of mana once you have maxed turtle stance its only 35 mana and regens a fuckton. Don't get ms quints. Does that go for jungle as well? I can't really see any other quints being super useful for him aside from MS for ganks or AS quints (which I don't have) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
then either 1: armour quints/mr/lvl blues 2: mr quints/flat mr blues 3: attack speed reds, ad quints (against say irelia who does true damage and don't need resists) it's almost always 1 or 2. | ||
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