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Deleted User 3420
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On November 11 2011 10:57 Ryuu314 wrote: I think it's also cause people started putting Sion mid as opposed to top where a good amount of bruisers just completely poop on him whereas Sion can beat a lot of APs and he gets to roam all over the place | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On November 11 2011 10:57 Ryuu314 wrote: I think it's also cause people started putting Sion mid as opposed to top where a good amount of bruisers just completely poop on him whereas Sion can beat a lot of APs I think he got super popular for a few reasons: -Kass and Morgana became super popular AP mid carries recently. Kass after his buffs which enabled him to shit on other casters like he's designed to do, and Morg because she's just crazy strong all game. Turns out that sion a pretty effective counter to both of them. He may not be able to kill them, but bam, blow up the whole creep wave and go gank somewhere, forcing morg to clear the wave and especially kass whom struggles to to finish creepwaves effectively. -At the IPL sion showed up in numerous games absolutely wrecking shit. People saw that and were like "oman i gotta try it" Then after people started trying him in those specific situations, they realized "o holy shit he kinda poops on every caster", and he's just exploded in popularity from there. That said though I've actually been having a lot of success defeating him mid as Swain. You might not be able to stop him from 1-shotting the creep wave, but you *will* inflict more damage to him than he can to you just about every time. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 15 2011 00:38 Butterednuts wrote: Been seeing Sion way more now that he's about to be nerfed. Stupid FotM. What? Not him TOO QQ I've been rolling AD sion in solo (not arranged). Usually open ninja tabis because I'm low level and people never know who to focus, but I've been thinking of getting a thornmail first instead. Then I get a ghostblade and try to increase my crit rate since I have 100% lifesteal from his ult at level 16, 100% attack speed from his ult and ghostblade, and +100 attack damage from his E at level 5 and the ghostblade. Really an infinity edge is all that I think I need for additional attack damage. For summoners I've been considering cleanse and flash since cleanse allows sion to not get ccd down while he's lifestealing from enemy squishies. Just charge in and kill enemies one at a time, but never charge in to stupid fights. Sion seems to beat warwicks on dominion, and he seems to work well on TT, and he can do a bit of harass on Summoners, but I think he's definitely weakest like this on SR. This probably won't work at a high level. edit: theoretically I could trade infinity for something more tanky. or maybe even a last whisper. He doesn't seem like he needs too many items to do well so he can pick and choose as he sees fit. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On November 15 2011 00:38 Butterednuts wrote: Been seeing Sion way more now that he's about to be nerfed. Stupid FotM. He's getting a 0.1 ratio nerf on his spells. Sion not really OP but REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY fucking annoying to play against in soloqueue. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On November 15 2011 03:17 obesechicken13 wrote: What? Not him TOO QQ I've been rolling AD sion in solo (not arranged). Usually open ninja tabis because I'm low level and people never know who to focus, but I've been thinking of getting a thornmail first instead. Then I get a ghostblade and try to increase my crit rate since I have 100% lifesteal from his ult at level 16, 100% attack speed from his ult and ghostblade, and +100 attack damage from his E at level 5 and the ghostblade. Really an infinity edge is all that I think I need for additional attack damage. For summoners I've been considering cleanse and flash since cleanse allows sion to not get ccd down while he's lifestealing from enemy squishies. Just charge in and kill enemies one at a time, but never charge in to stupid fights. Sion seems to beat warwicks on dominion, and he seems to work well on TT, and he can do a bit of harass on Summoners, but I think he's definitely weakest like this on SR. This probably won't work at a high level. edit: theoretically I could trade infinity for something more tanky. or maybe even a last whisper. He doesn't seem like he needs too many items to do well so he can pick and choose as he sees fit. Does this really work? I think building him AD doesn't make use of his skillset at all and there are many other champions with natural AD ability that seem better suited to tanky DPS. Is the only reason you do this for the Lifesteal on his Ult? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 15 2011 07:37 Terranasaur wrote: Does this really work? I think building him AD doesn't make use of his skillset at all and there are many other champions with natural AD ability that seem better suited to tanky DPS. Is the only reason you do this for the Lifesteal on his Ult? I'm new to sion, and to the game in general, but I feel it works for me. Yes I do AD simply because of his ultimate. It's a nice steroid and it provides a lot of lifesteal. More than any other ability in the game. If he wins the fight or drives the enemy away, he gets himself back to full. I personally don't understand why everyone thinks Sion is so great AP. He needs to get in close to unleash his 1:1 ratio skills. And if you need to get close, he will die due to his squishiness. If you build for survivability, you can't use his ap scaling ratio. I think riot designed sion's skillset with him being AD in mind, so I don't understand what you mean by "doesn't make use of his skillset". His stun lets him catch enemies, his shield lets him get in close, he gets a flat attack damage ability, and his ult also scales with AD. I'd say his skillset wasn't designed for AP. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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javy_
United States1677 Posts
On November 15 2011 08:18 obesechicken13 wrote: I'm new to sion, and to the game in general, but I feel it works for me. Yes I do AD simply because of his ultimate. It's a nice steroid and it provides a lot of lifesteal. More than any other ability in the game. If he wins the fight or drives the enemy away, he gets himself back to full. I personally don't understand why everyone thinks Sion is so great AP. He needs to get in close to unleash his 1:1 ratio skills. And if you need to get close, he will die due to his squishiness. If you build for survivability, you can't use his ap scaling ratio. I think riot designed sion's skillset with him being AD in mind, so I don't understand what you mean by "doesn't make use of his skillset". His stun lets him catch enemies, his shield lets him get in close, he gets a flat attack damage ability, and his ult also scales with AD. I'd say his skillset wasn't designed for AP. Sion isn't squishy. Late game he has easy >3k hp if you are decent at last hitting. Additionally, his shield provides ~500hp. The reason he is so strong is because of his burst dmg. DFG + Q + W + ignite will almost instantly kill any squishy champ. | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
 Is it better to build damage on him first or attack speed? I tend to go Greaves > vamp sceptre > PD > IE > Atmas, might have to try ap sometime though. Has anyone tried hybrid on him (or just ap but with an atmas)? | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Level shield, zone enemy , stun him if he comes in range, blow up shield (and creep wave, and enemy), run to either top or bottom lane and gank, or go do dragon with your ultimate. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
The annie just stayed out of my stun range. I think annie players have to be confident in their skills since they willingfully have no range. That's basically the trick to beating sion. Stay out of his range (move speed boots). Get some MR. And don't let him roam. Every AP scales better than him. Sion isn't tanky either... once his shield blows up, he does too. I really don't like sion though. I feel like he's a retard champion. Maybe I think this because Reginald plays him. Sion doesn't need to aim and he gets large amounts of damage reduction and a stun to help him escape. When I play bruiser sion in top lane, he gets to zone people out as he pleases because even if he loses a trade, he can press R and get back to full. I feel naughty for playing sion. TBH, I don't think I lost one game as AP sion today. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Argoth.
Germany1961 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Also I think Tiamat and Hydra provide AoE lifesteal at 50% efficiency now. I't s a sizeable increase to Sion's lifesteal when he's hitting multiple people. It may just be better to swap out those two for IE PD though. | ||
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