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On January 31 2011 16:51 gtrsrs wrote:
so i've been playing a ton of akali
and for a while i was stomping everyone in top lane but then i just realized i was playing against players worse than myself
now that i'm playing against more competent people i'm kinda struggling in a lot of matchups
who exactly CAN akali crush pretty regularly?
i assumed vlad would be a pretty easy lane but his E hits me in shroud so i can't really force him off creeps. i got the first kill on him but he was wayyyy out-cs'ing me at that point
morde was really really hard for me too. cone hitting in shroud is annoying too
corki crushed me nuff said
i even struggled against anivia
halp me
i don't use ignite
is that my problem
I used to use flash ghost on her (now I run flash ignite), the ignite does help Akali, but probably not in the areas you're having trouble, unless you plan on using it really early... which may help? I dunno.
AoE against her shroud is fucking annoying (i.e. Corki), I've found that trying not to allow them to dictate the tempo of the lane helps a lot. Just trying to target them in between cooldowns etc, like if a Corki is trying to phospho bomb you, run back wait for CD rinse and repeat then you wanna make use of the times his shit is on CD.
If you get a chance check out some Westrice VODs, I remember when I first watched them i picked up on how many chances to be aggressive I was missing despite being pre lvl 6 (And now I'm in love with QW harass.)
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Hm, where are Westrice VODs? I didn't know such a thing existed. I'd be especially interested to see him lane against Corki. I played Akali for the first few times this week, and wow I just couldn't do anything against Corki. I should have asked for a lane switch probably...
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i dont understand how its even possible to lane as akali against corki. corki breaks stronger heroes than akali in lane, and the fact that all his shit is aoe makes it worse
assuming a competent corki player that is. altho mybe the brushes @ top might make a difference, who knows
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camp brush, cs with q as best as you can. Shroud if he Valkyries on you. Last hit at tower if corki pushes the lane. Take rejuv bead and mass pots if you need to. Once level 6, read corkis phosphorus bomb and jump on him with r to dodge the bomb, burst him, and shroud to disengage.
Edit: corkis burst come way slower than akali"s, and he doesn't have a stun to give him burst priority. If he misses his phoshorus bomb, akali can have her way with him.
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I've finally found a way to beat Vlad solo mid. Wait until level 5, go back and buy a red elixer. Skirmish with him. Once he pools, shroud up and chug red. Profit!
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I think against vlad, you can just shroud behind his minions and q auto everytime he tries to cs. Time your shrouding to maximize the amount if creeps he would lose, like when several of them are below half health.
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While denying him from levels 2-4 is notably easy, Vlad hitting six usually means a dead Akali. I've tried everything I could think of, and red elixir seems like my only option.
Sure, if he stays back and my denying is 100% successful there won't be a problem. Buying an HP belt pre-ult is more or less a won lane.. however, if the guy you're playing against is resourceful he's a tough nut to crack.
I've played the match-up a lot, and it seems like resorting to a gimmick is the most efficient means of dealing with him.
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On January 31 2011 21:17 Jaksiel wrote:
Hm, where are Westrice VODs? I didn't know such a thing existed. I'd be especially interested to see him lane against Corki. I played Akali for the first few times this week, and wow I just couldn't do anything against Corki. I should have asked for a lane switch probably...
I saw them on AoNEmpatic's owned tv thing. He's streamed at solomid and thats their channel thing.
There is 1 here: http://www.own3d.tv/aonempatic#/watch/47208
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On February 01 2011 01:34 Juicyfruit wrote:
camp brush, cs with q as best as you can. Shroud if he Valkyries on you. Last hit at tower if corki pushes the lane. Take rejuv bead and mass pots if you need to. Once level 6, read corkis phosphorus bomb and jump on him with r to dodge the bomb, burst him, and shroud to disengage.
Edit: corkis burst come way slower than akali"s, and he doesn't have a stun to give him burst priority. If he misses his phoshorus bomb, akali can have her way with him.
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shroud if he jumps on you? what for? so all his shit can hit you in the shroud? if he jumps on you you run have to away unless you can kill him without using auto attacks on account of you're blinded
read his phosphorous bomb? how in the hell are you going to dodge an instant-cast aoe spell?
On February 01 2011 02:10 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think against vlad, you can just shroud behind his minions and q auto everytime he tries to cs. Time your shrouding to maximize the amount if creeps he would lose, like when several of them are below half health.
i just find it really hard to trade hits with vlad because he can regen his health and usually packs ignite, and i can't do either. if you try to zone him he's just going to use his E on the edge of your shroud. multiple Es will do more damage than your Q and he won't ever get in range for you to proc the second part of Q. every time you pop to Q or when the shroud falls, he'll use his Q as well.
have you even played akali or is this just more tapioca theorycrafting
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On February 01 2011 02:02 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
I've finally found a way to beat Vlad solo mid. Wait until level 5, go back and buy a red elixer. Skirmish with him. Once he pools, shroud up and chug red. Profit!
definitely gonna try this next time i get a vlad, it seems like quite a good idea. do you try to wait til 6 to engage even with the red pot? also do you usually have enough CS to grab a null mantle too at that point or just the red pot and some potions?
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I try -not- to engage him at 6. My idea is to kill him (or at least send him back) at five, so by the time he comes back I have my ult with max charges. It really depends on the player skill of the Vlad (and his familiarity with the Akali). The idea came from a recent game where Vlad and his jungle Shaco were 100% dedicated to keeping me off the creeps.. but in most situations, you should easily have enough for elixir + mantle + pots. Though if you're free farming and hit 1100, definitely go for the belt. It makes him (and almost every other hero in the game) mostly irrelevant.
After losing to one too many Vlads, I noticed that their pool was a trump card.. We would exchange blows early on and it seemed like whenever I'd die, he would be at dangerously low health. Using his confidence against him is always a good thing.
How do you guys handle the Anivia match-up without a hundred gank attempt from your jungle? She's such a thorn in my side.
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The shroud is huge. You shroud when corki jumps on you so that you can juke him and not eat autoattacks.
Reading phosphorus bomb as in guess when he will use it for cs or harass. If he just holds onto it then he is letting you farm more than he should.
Vlads e has pretty bad range and he doesn't really know where you are within your cloud. Standing on the edge spamming level 1 e isn't that effective. You will deny him quite a bit.
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On February 01 2011 02:58 gtrsrs wrote:
read his phosphorous bomb? how in the hell are you going to dodge an instant-cast aoe spell?
Probably should be more like "read the corki", as in: Know when he is about to cast Phosphorus and R just a couple of frames earlier. Human reaction time, blah, blah, he will still cast Bomb at the place where you were before.
However, if the Corki does the same and instead only "fakes" a Phosphorus, you will engage on him and he still gets to cast it on you.
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On February 01 2011 03:28 Juicyfruit wrote:
The shroud is huge. You shroud when corki jumps on you so that you can juke him and not eat autoattacks.
Reading phosphorus bomb as in guess when he will use it for cs or harass. If he just holds onto it then he is letting you farm more than he should.
Vlads e has pretty bad range and he doesn't really know where you are within your cloud. Standing on the edge spamming level 1 e isn't that effective. You will deny him quite a bit.
you don't shroud when corki jumps on you. you're dumb.
but that's beside the point. corki won't ever jump on you. he'll just keep farming and every time you try to harass he'll outharass you... and keep farming anyways.
vlad's e has a really good range just leave this topic please
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Should Akali even take a solo lane? Honestly I find her to be a monster in a duo lane with almost any other champ.
Certain champs can just totally shut her down in a solo lane, (as discussed above). Does she really benefit that much from the solo exp than your other potentially stronger carries?
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On February 01 2011 04:00 Haemonculus wrote:
Should Akali even take a solo lane? Honestly I find her to be a monster in a duo lane with almost any other champ.
Certain champs can just totally shut her down in a solo lane, (as discussed above). Does she really benefit that much from the solo exp than your other potentially stronger carries?
She, like irelia, is really good at assassinating carries and staying alive. She's a fairly competant laner if she plays conservatively and has the correct runes and masteries to abuse her passive.
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On February 01 2011 03:56 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 03:28 Juicyfruit wrote:
The shroud is huge. You shroud when corki jumps on you so that you can juke him and not eat autoattacks.
Reading phosphorus bomb as in guess when he will use it for cs or harass. If he just holds onto it then he is letting you farm more than he should.
Vlads e has pretty bad range and he doesn't really know where you are within your cloud. Standing on the edge spamming level 1 e isn't that effective. You will deny him quite a bit. you don't shroud when corki jumps on you. you're dumb. but that's beside the point. corki won't ever jump on you. he'll just keep farming and every time you try to harass he'll outharass you... and keep farming anyways. vlad's e has a really good range just leave this topic please
When Corki jumps on you (and he will, pre-6), you can either
- shroud, get armor bonus and avoid autoattack damage + slow him OR
- not shroud, attempt to fight him while being 35% blinded or run away and eat shots while all his AoE spells hit you anyways.
Why would you ever not shroud when corki (or anyone for that matter) forcibly engage you?
Vlad's E doesn't hit the entire length of akali's shroud. If he tries to stand on the edge and blindly shoot E while you're on the other side, he will fire a blank. Alternatively, he can go INTO the shroud to try and fight you but he'll obviously lose. Either way he'll lose out on farm whereas you don't, since you are in control of when to shroud.
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If Corki jumps on you, you should pop cleanse and kill him in about three hits. That is all.
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What if you don't have cleanse?
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Then you're doing it wrong.
edit: imoimoimo
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