EPT[Champion] Akali - Page 3
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On January 23 2011 04:05 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: QWE is better damage for when you drop the smoke behind their minion wave. I'll still go QWQ against someone like Vlad or Sivir where each harass counts that much more and denying is out of the picture. Rank 1 E: 30 Damage, 325 range, 60 energy, 7 secs CD Rank 1 Q: 50 Damage, 1000 range, 60 energy 6 secs CD Rank 2 Q: 75 Damage, 1000 range, 60 energy, 5.5 secs CD. For level one E you get 30 damage (ignoring AD / AP ratios) on a short range with a higher cooldown, and the energy is not replenished. For level 2 Q you get +25 damage (potentially +50 total when the mark is triggered), with a much more useful range than e, and a low enough cooldown that you can Q (wait a couple seconds) -> W -> Q -> Q -> W ends. Level 2 Q vs Level 1 E does more damage if you proc the mark (which you really should be doing alot of the time), has a much more useful range, and replenishes energy. In my mind there is no contest between QWQ and QWE. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
I run AP quints, mpen reds, hp/lvl yellows and a mix of ap/lvl and flat ap (to trigger passive at lvl 2), so E wouldn't be as good with my setup as with yours. But I mean if that's the setup and playstyle you like then thats cool. different strokes for different folks. Does this SYNZIG guy have a stream? I'd be interested in seeing how he plays her. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i don't have any IP right now tho so i'm just using MS quints, Mpen red, ar/level yellow, MR/level blue. ghost/ignite, 16/14/0 in lane i've found you're better off just farming and outright killing them at 6 or 7 than trying to harass a bunch, but i could be wrong about that my big question is how do you beat cho'gath in lane, or at least not lose horribly? all his shit is aoe and hits you in shroud, including vorpal spikes -__- and his imba passive makes harass worthless. last game i went for a last hit, he hit me three times (with vorpal spikes) while i was doing it, hit level 3 on a creep, silenced me as i ran into my tower, flashed in, vorpal'd, ruptured and ghosted out. fucking 3 minutes into the game i'm already behind 2 levels and getting crushed :C then annie came and ganked and they tower dived me for a nice 0-2 start, fuck cho'gath. i ended up getting 7 kills in a row after that but regardless, cho crushed me in lane. how to win against him? | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Afaik your shroud cloaks you even if you only stand in it with like half your body. Or you move in and out because it takes a while until you actually become visible. I guess someone who actually plays Akali can help you more with this, but you probably should test it yourself anyways to get a feel for the actual stealth range. | ||
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Aukai
United States1183 Posts
EDIT: nm, I couldnt reach 20 AP without all 3 quints =X | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
On January 23 2011 17:13 Dgiese wrote: 32 more damage? I'd really still rather the upgraded Q, it's just so much more realistic to expect to be able to use it. Running out of shroud to proc Q and then cast an E is longer that I'd want to expose myself for. In terms of straight up burst, yes E is better, but I still feel Q is a more realistic leveling choice (I don't expect my opponents to keep allowing me to get away with E's, whereas they have alot less choice regarding Q's). I run AP quints, mpen reds, hp/lvl yellows and a mix of ap/lvl and flat ap (to trigger passive at lvl 2), so E wouldn't be as good with my setup as with yours. But I mean if that's the setup and playstyle you like then thats cool. different strokes for different folks. Does this SYNZIG guy have a stream? I'd be interested in seeing how he plays her. My play style is a closely guarded family secret. But perhaps I will set up a stream. EDIT: As for opening Dblade, I can't agree with the notion at all. I've tried it quite a few times with little to no luck. Dshield is imba and you can proc your passives through runes. Dshield + defensive tree is way more survivability and you don't lose out on any damage. | ||
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rredtooth
5460 Posts
On January 23 2011 02:59 zulu_nation8 wrote: judge reinhold.just wanna say doyouhas best akali | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 24 2011 07:51 redtooth wrote: judge reinhold. Westrice | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 24 2011 07:51 redtooth wrote: judge reinhold. Dunno, maybe he has bad luck to streamers but everytime i saw him streamed he was decent. Westrice on the other hand... So yeah, gotta agree with Neo  | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On January 24 2011 07:28 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: My play style is a closely guarded family secret. But perhaps I will set up a stream. EDIT: As for opening Dblade, I can't agree with the notion at all. I've tried it quite a few times with little to no luck. Dshield is imba and you can proc your passives through runes. Dshield + defensive tree is way more survivability and you don't lose out on any damage. Oh, not to be rude but I thought SYNZIG was some high Elo player reputed for their akali (i.e. Westrice). I mean I'm pretty much just trying to hijack what I've seen as Westrice's playstyle to the best of my ability. I haven't run the math on AD runes, but it seems like an odd tradeoff just to get Doran's shield. I think I'd rather to grab Mpen and dodge or HP from those runes rather than using them just to ensure I get to start with a Doran's shield. And I'm a believer in running 21 offense because of Akali's nature (extreme burst). In my view survivability isn't as important as burstability. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
On January 24 2011 11:19 Dgiese wrote: Oh, not to be rude but I thought SYNZIG was some high Elo player reputed for their akali (i.e. Westrice). I mean I'm pretty much just trying to hijack what I've seen as Westrice's playstyle to the best of my ability. I haven't run the math on AD runes, but it seems like an odd tradeoff just to get Doran's shield. I think I'd rather to grab Mpen and dodge or HP from those runes rather than using them just to ensure I get to start with a Doran's shield. And I'm a believer in running 21 offense because of Akali's nature (extreme burst). In my view survivability isn't as important as burstability. rofl, you seek information not from a point of math or experience but simply from players you've heard of. gj. I'll go hit for hit with your or this westrice's build any day of the week. Personal experience > fame. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On January 24 2011 11:46 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: rofl, you seek information not from a point of math or experience but simply from players you've heard of. gj. I'll go hit for hit with your or this westrice's build any day of the week. Personal experience > fame. This isn't true at all and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude. This is from personal experience trying his build, and also from seeing how his build works at high levels of play. Because quite frankly, a build based on someone's experience who isn't playing at high Elo is about as much use as a cock flavoured lollipop. If you're not playing against consistently good players then it means you can get away with a tonne of stuff. If you've been keeping up with the conversation you'll actually notice I've posted all my reasoning for playing the way I do, but when I happen to mention that I'm following the methods of the undisputed best Akali player in the game you laugh at me. When I'm playing SC2 or BW I will shamelessly copy the build orders of players FAAAAR better than me, all in all it's a great way to learn and improve your skills. If you wanna prove the merits of your build, then challenge some of the good players from TL. There's a distinct difference between your opinion and mine, the opinion that I hold has been shown to work at high levels of play, yours is currently untested. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
and for a while i was stomping everyone in top lane but then i just realized i was playing against players worse than myself now that i'm playing against more competent people i'm kinda struggling in a lot of matchups who exactly CAN akali crush pretty regularly? i assumed vlad would be a pretty easy lane but his E hits me in shroud so i can't really force him off creeps. i got the first kill on him but he was wayyyy out-cs'ing me at that point morde was really really hard for me too. cone hitting in shroud is annoying too corki crushed me nuff said i even struggled against anivia halp me i don't use ignite is that my problem | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 31 2011 16:51 gtrsrs wrote: so i've been playing a ton of akali and for a while i was stomping everyone in top lane but then i just realized i was playing against players worse than myself now that i'm playing against more competent people i'm kinda struggling in a lot of matchups who exactly CAN akali crush pretty regularly? i assumed vlad would be a pretty easy lane but his E hits me in shroud so i can't really force him off creeps. i got the first kill on him but he was wayyyy out-cs'ing me at that point morde was really really hard for me too. cone hitting in shroud is annoying too corki crushed me nuff said i even struggled against anivia halp me i don't use ignite is that my problem try to juke aoe (vs vlad and corki is much harder, but you can duck out of shroud and have ~1s of invisibility) with shroud use ignite to get first blood by 6 at latest never slow down your csing while you apply your aggression, use the deaggro and invis on shroud to switch from harass mode -> csing mode. the ability to cs while harassing is what distances great akalis from mediocre "i make laning a bitch but am worthless by level 10" akalis. | ||
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