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Snowster
Profile Joined June 2003
United States78 Posts
April 20 2011 01:17 GMT
#81
I was actually in vent when this exchange between Ruken and gtrsrs occurred, and I can say with the credibility of Barack Obama that Ruken is telling the truth and gtrsrs is lying.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
April 20 2011 01:33 GMT
#82
On April 19 2011 07:55 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 07:53 gtrsrs wrote:
oh my guide isn't for twisted treeline. shen plays differently there (as do all champs). don't use this for TT, my bad. i would definitely take ghost 100% of the time on TT though.

also i have a galio guide on TL that's pretty straightforward. also not for TT.


Heh, yeah. Once i get really good at the game, maybe then I can start writing guides for TT for each char and adding them on to the already awesome guides here on TL.

I really like TT though, much faster pace, much easier to gank/be ganked, and not too many champs you need to keep track of.


You don't need to be good to write a guide for a character. You just have to be open to ideas. 75% of the value in writing a guide is getting everybody else's opinion out there. Just find the appropriate champion thread and start writin'!
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 20 2011 02:04 GMT
#83
On April 20 2011 10:33 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 07:55 57 Corvette wrote:
On April 19 2011 07:53 gtrsrs wrote:
oh my guide isn't for twisted treeline. shen plays differently there (as do all champs). don't use this for TT, my bad. i would definitely take ghost 100% of the time on TT though.

also i have a galio guide on TL that's pretty straightforward. also not for TT.


Heh, yeah. Once i get really good at the game, maybe then I can start writing guides for TT for each char and adding them on to the already awesome guides here on TL.

I really like TT though, much faster pace, much easier to gank/be ganked, and not too many champs you need to keep track of.


You don't need to be good to write a guide for a character. You just have to be open to ideas. 75% of the value in writing a guide is getting everybody else's opinion out there. Just find the appropriate champion thread and start writin'!


Oh, Well in that case I will need to do some observations friday/weekend so I can write full up on monday. Ofc I won't have things like full masteries and rune pages for sure, but I can probably write strategy.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 20 2011 02:28 GMT
#84
On April 20 2011 08:52 Ruken wrote:
New shen build:

Doran shield
Spirit Visage
Merc treads
Giants belt
Now you can: Finish sunfire cape or get your Wit's End
Atma's

You can throw Aegis in there if no one else on your team can get it. Abyssal also a great choice vs casters and helps out your team's casters.

9/0/21
Magic pen reds
HP/lvl yellows
Magic resist blues
Movespeed quints


saw this on hsgg stream lol
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-20 05:55:40
April 20 2011 05:55 GMT
#85
I haven't run 9/0/21 on Shen since the dshield nerfs, now with HoG out it's suicide imo. If you want to rule your lane you need 21 defensive. Not that I don't wish I could get away with utility, you just can't these days. Can't believe how awesome most items in this game used to be.

I've been meaning to try bloodrazor though haha
it's my first day
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
May 01 2011 01:55 GMT
#86
Shen ult so useless for shielding dmg... Just gud now for tping to make fights in your favor in terms of people
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 01 2011 04:14 GMT
#87
On May 01 2011 10:55 0123456789 wrote:
Shen ult so useless for shielding dmg... Just gud now for tping to make fights in your favor in terms of people


That's how it should be...
Taunt should be enough to save your ally. HP Shield + Taunt has always been imba.
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
June 08 2011 02:14 GMT
#88
Is the item build up to date?
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 08 2011 03:34 GMT
#89
On June 08 2011 11:14 R04R wrote:
Is the item build up to date?


Item build is not up to date. The nerf hit him fairly hard, and recently teams have been picking tanky dps champs in place of straight up tanks. I haven't seen a Shen around in a long time.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 08 2011 06:47 GMT
#90
i build literally the exact same items on shen. he's just not very good since the nerf. but i wouldn't change the build
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
June 10 2011 02:08 GMT
#91
Yeah I still go Rylai, Abyssal too
MIK Terran
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-10 03:53:15
June 10 2011 03:52 GMT
#92
i dunno about rylais, but i agree that abyssal is only one of the most awesome items you could possibly get on shen. ever.

edit: gunblade is pretty neato too
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 14:00:59
June 24 2011 13:58 GMT
#93
What's the consensus on Atmogs Shen since the nerf?

I'm sure it's not an original idea, but I've been testing this:

Ghost/Teleport

9/21/0

Red -Armor Pen
Blue -MR/lvl
Yellow -HP/lvl
Quint -HP/lvl

R > Q > E > W

Start: Regrowth Pendant + Pot

Core: MercTreads, Sunfire, Warmog's, Atma's. Get Atma's last, for the rest mix and match components as situation demands.

Lategame Options: Stark's Fervor, Thornmail, Abyssal Scepter, Frozen Mallet.

Noticably missing: Randuin's Omen, Significant MR, Gold/10 items.

The basic idea is making Ki Strike a frightening passive again. Since you're getting so much bonus health, Atma's seems in order.

I've been feeling really cruddy lategame with Shen's old build (besides taunt I felt useless in teamfights), and this seems to fix that for me. The lack of significant MR and build-up items (hog, warden's) is a bit of a concern, tho. And I miss Randuin's active. :/
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 24 2011 14:04 GMT
#94
they do count as bonus health. get a HoG ASAP. get Force of Nature when you need MR. you probably don't need sunfire if you're going atmog's anyway. just go HoG -> Mog's -> Atma's + FoN as necessary, picking up lategame stuff like Frozen Mallet, Triforce, Omen as necessary. this build can be alright and turns him into a reasonably effective tanky DPS, but it can't realistically be farmed up by Shen in a typical game.

you also failed to mention the most noticeably missing item, which is Aegis.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 24 2011 17:49 GMT
#95
Since the nerfs, it is damn near impossible to jungle shen unless you recall after every camp -.-
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 17:59:34
June 24 2011 17:57 GMT
#96
jungle shen has always been a subpar option
shen (used to be) an in-your-face tank. he would taunt your whole team and for 2 seconds absorb all their shots, then chase down the carry and stick to her like butter on a hot bun. to do this effectively, you needed to be equally as farmed as the enemy carry or very close, otherwise you just get melted. in my guide i point out that late-game you're getting melted no matter what.

in order to acquire this level of farm, you need a solo lane or you need to be hogging the bot lane farm. the jungle simply will never let you get this level of farm. additionally, now that you can't stack HoG's, and kage's pick and avarice blade are awful on shen, coupled with shen only benefitting from half of a philo stone, i highly recommend not jungling with him

although, to be fair, he might be a decent jungler in arranged 5s since tanks are kind of seeing their way out, and he's got a great CC. you wouldn't expect him to really *tank* anything but his effective 10 seconds of CC might be of use before he melts. he'd be similar to nunu in that he's more of a utility tank than a true tank, and doesn't get as much farm to do his job. he's a very effective warder/counterwarder thanks to taunt's ability to jump walls, so in arranged 5s he might not be your WORST option, but he's clearly not your best for a jungler
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 24 2011 18:00 GMT
#97
Only viable way I see Shen being played now is if he's with Alistar or Blitz and they just roll over bottom lane. Shen doesn't deserve to be babysat bot, he isn't going to scale well with gold anyways. It's better if he shares with another tanky dps and just net kills and zones enemy bottom.

And never jungle with Shen. I already think jungle Xin is subpar. Shen's worse than Xin. zz
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 18:09:06
August 28 2011 18:06 GMT
#98
Been playing Shen since he's free this week.. talk about unappreciated. Everyone blames you for their crappy positioning and engaging when they shouldn't be (1v4? no problem, Shen will save me!) because you have a taunt that can hit multiple people so "SHEN WHY WEREN'T YOU THERE!?! YOU SUCK SHEN" is all you get., even when you have the highest kill/assists tally, it is clearly your fault. Then they make stupid comments like "he doesn't even have any tank items" when I have Merc Treads, Aegis, Heart of Gold, and am working on Sunfire, and claim they play ranked Shen.

Good grief. I enjoy playing him even if he's weak, but the garbage I get while doing so is unbelievable.
Kaonis
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States243 Posts
August 28 2011 18:42 GMT
#99
On August 29 2011 03:06 zer0das wrote:
Been playing Shen since he's free this week.. talk about unappreciated. Everyone blames you for their crappy positioning and engaging when they shouldn't be (1v4? no problem, Shen will save me!) because you have a taunt that can hit multiple people so "SHEN WHY WEREN'T YOU THERE!?! YOU SUCK SHEN" is all you get., even when you have the highest kill/assists tally, it is clearly your fault. Then they make stupid comments like "he doesn't even have any tank items" when I have Merc Treads, Aegis, Heart of Gold, and am working on Sunfire, and claim they play ranked Shen.

Good grief. I enjoy playing him even if he's weak, but the garbage I get while doing so is unbelievable.


Shen is extreeeeemely reliant on playing with at least one friend. Because he's guaranteed to be eating tons of damage with his taunt (if you hit of course) you really need to coordination that playing with friends provides to take advantage of it.

I haven't played Shen since a couple of normals to see how he was after so many levels. Hated it. Compared to other tanks, he had almost no damage output, his heal on his Q was barely noticeable, and his taunt was really only good as an escape mechanism in lane. Thankfully, he's being looked at by RIOT for minor buffs/tweaks.
Nevermind.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 28 2011 18:42 GMT
#100
Lol people have always gotten shit for playing Shen. Just grief them if you get annoyed and never save them.
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