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Meatpuppet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
August 14 2013 14:38 GMT
#341
Flask is a standard item for me, my first buy is often 1. spirit stone 2. flask 3. boots. If i cannot afford all 3 i'll get flask over boots. If I'm really fed I'll get a catalyst instead of a flask, and build that into a ROA later for my early sutain. You need to take advantage of your fast clear speed as Evelynn, pots/flask is just essential early on if you want to farm some jungle between ganks, getting gold from your jungle also allows you to try to give kills to your laners and still keep up in items/levels so you don't just get blown up in later teamfights.

Also, about boots, I use to buy mobi boots on evelynn and they are fine but I do not build then anymore as I favor sorce boots for the extra mpen. I found that early ganks for evelynn are more about patience, timing, being very careful about where you gank(you are squishy and a counter-gank can wreck you). Mobi boots are for gank happy champs like Jarvan IV, Maokai and such (It allows them to just blast past enemy wards and pull of the gank with sheer move speed and gap closers) This is of course not necessary as Evelynn. Your ability to initiate teamfights is also not compromised with sorce boots due again to your stealth.
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ZataN
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand414 Posts
August 15 2013 04:44 GMT
#342
On August 14 2013 23:38 Meatpuppet wrote:
Flask is a standard item for me, my first buy is often 1. spirit stone 2. flask 3. boots. If i cannot afford all 3 i'll get flask over boots. If I'm really fed I'll get a catalyst instead of a flask, and build that into a ROA later for my early sutain. You need to take advantage of your fast clear speed as Evelynn, pots/flask is just essential early on if you want to farm some jungle between ganks, getting gold from your jungle also allows you to try to give kills to your laners and still keep up in items/levels so you don't just get blown up in later teamfights.

Also, about boots, I use to buy mobi boots on evelynn and they are fine but I do not build then anymore as I favor sorce boots for the extra mpen. I found that early ganks for evelynn are more about patience, timing, being very careful about where you gank(you are squishy and a counter-gank can wreck you). Mobi boots are for gank happy champs like Jarvan IV, Maokai and such (It allows them to just blast past enemy wards and pull of the gank with sheer move speed and gap closers) This is of course not necessary as Evelynn. Your ability to initiate teamfights is also not compromised with sorce boots due again to your stealth.


Rod on eve? Seems like it would take too long to finish from the jungle. And kinda questionable why you want the health from rod, you are invis and shouldnt be tanking a whole bunch of damage anyway.

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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 15 2013 05:05 GMT
#343
I definitely would not recommend RoA. You get health from Guise anyways.
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Meatpuppet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
August 15 2013 05:49 GMT
#344
Why definitely? Evelynn benefits from all the stats RoA gives, there are many ap caster champs that like to build RoA, Guise, and even Rylais.(Orianna comes to mind here). These items are also built on ranged ap casters, if the hp is useful to them it should be even more useful to Evelynn, who is melee.

RoA is often not built on junglers I understand, mainly because RoA is thought of as an item built for early lane sustain that later evolves into lategame durability. In practice the item is phenomenal when I build it, and mind you I only build the catalyst if I get fed early. i.e. When after my first base I notice I have 1600+ gold and I'm still only lvl 5 and jungle creeps still hurt me.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 15 2013 08:57 GMT
#345
It's not about whether or not the item is good or if Eve uses the item effectively. It's about what's most optimal. As jungle eve, you simply cannot rely on having enough gold to buy RoA at a timing that's most efficient. Even then, there are many parts of RoA that are wasted. For one, Eve doesn't need the mana nor the passive and a good chunk of the cost of RoA is in that.

You're better off getting your tanky stats from Guise and other, cheaper, sources of health/resists.
Meatpuppet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
August 15 2013 09:04 GMT
#346
Evelynn makes great use of the passive for jungle sustain, and the mana it provides is also certainly useful.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 15 2013 10:26 GMT
#347
She doesn't need the passive for jungle sustain and the usefulness of the mana is questionable at best; you aren't really going to run out of mana after lvl12 or so (because of your base mana getting pretty high) which is about the time when RoA would start charging. It's a pretty terrible item on Eve.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 04:57:30
October 24 2013 04:57 GMT
#348
I'm on a business trip atm and can't test, but could there be any merit in ad jungle (or mid I guess) Eve with sorc boots? Ad scaling on her abilities, huge attack speed boost, easy triforce procs, elder lizard is core on her anyways...basically magic damage with spells with hardhitting autos in between, could go hybrid pen instead of standard (?) ad reds, ap quints. Thoughts?
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
October 24 2013 06:02 GMT
#349
On October 24 2013 13:57 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I'm on a business trip atm and can't test, but could there be any merit in ad jungle (or mid I guess) Eve with sorc boots? Ad scaling on her abilities, huge attack speed boost, easy triforce procs, elder lizard is core on her anyways...basically magic damage with spells with hardhitting autos in between, could go hybrid pen instead of standard (?) ad reds, ap quints. Thoughts?

Me first: This could actually be good in mid, triforce-bork into pen could go well in the mid but chances are you won't have enough money for this in the jungle, unless you're hyperfed (in that case, going diamond build -lizard into sorc shoes dfg into abyssal&zhonyas into anything will do a good burst and you will still be deceptively tanky in the late game).
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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 24 2013 06:37 GMT
#350
Probably not as good for two reasons, melee carrys always have a hard time (even with CC removal) and her ult doesn't scale at all from AD (you really need that shield).
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 24 2013 09:54 GMT
#351
The shield from her ult doesn't scale from AP either. But part of why she's so strong is becuse of the sheer dps from hate spikes, while her W gives her the MS to chase or run from people. It's easier to run in circles around somebody an dkite him, then it'd be if you had to rely on auto and triforce procs (like I'd see no point in BotRK for example.
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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 24 2013 12:44 GMT
#352
MAGIC DAMAGE: 15 / 20 / 25% (+ 1% per 100 AP) of enemies' current health


Yes it does.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 24 2013 12:46 GMT
#353
On October 24 2013 15:37 miicah wrote:
Probably not as good for two reasons, melee carrys always have a hard time (even with CC removal) and her ult doesn't scale at all from AD (you really need that shield).

On October 24 2013 18:54 Alaric wrote:
The shield from her ult doesn't scale from AP either.

You receive a flat amount of shield per enemy champion hit, it only scales off of that and Agony's Embrace's level, not anything else.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#354
On October 24 2013 15:37 miicah wrote:
Probably not as good for two reasons, melee carrys always have a hard time (even with CC removal) and her ult doesn't scale at all from AD (you really need that shield).


The shield doesn't scale with ap though, just with how many people you hit. Also, you don't need to melee all if the time and could kite with q and w active/passive.

I think that bork would be decent because the %hp damage scales with attack speed, which she gets with e (and doesn't really need from the item, in a catch 22). She also doesn't need the active to chase, which is a huge part of the gold cost. I'm on the fence haha.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
October 24 2013 17:52 GMT
#355
Does black cleaver proc twice on your E? If so, that could be a nice one.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 24 2013 23:09 GMT
#356
So it scales off enemies hit, the level of the ult and the amount of AP your enemies have? Is that how it's worded?
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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
October 24 2013 23:25 GMT
#357
No, it's only based on ult's level * enemies hit (if you talk about the shield)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 24 2013 23:30 GMT
#358
Oh boy. With the S3 wards changes, Evelynn is going to be absolutely crazy.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 24 2013 23:33 GMT
#359
You said the shield was important, and the shield only scales off of the spell's level and the number of enemies hit.
The AP ratio is only relevant for the damage dealt to each enemy hit, which has no direct link with the shield itself.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 25 2013 00:17 GMT
#360
Ohhh I see what I did now.
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