EPT[Champion] Evelynn - Page 17
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upperbound
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Rho_
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wei2coolman
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On July 11 2013 12:06 Rho_ wrote: Protip: W costs 0 mana. But makes you visible; so no passive mana regen. | ||
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miicah
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Scip
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miicah
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On July 11 2013 17:15 Scip wrote: I've never seen anyone not get Lizard first and I don't know what could be better. What do korean pros rush then? Sorry I only based this off a game I saw the other night (and I don't have OGN sub) but their Eve only had a spirit stone. He did have Liandry's and abyssal so I assume he went one of those first. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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upperbound
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On July 20 2013 10:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: i seem to hit an awkward 3rd/4th item timing after sorcs and lizard where i don't know whether to get guise or not, and then don't know where to go after that. making the 1600 for NLR is so hard (for dfg) Is this in the jungle? I find it pretty hard to justify dfg out of the jungle on Eve when Zhonya's helps you do your job so much better. There is a little bit of a tough build up to a NLR, but it's worth it to actually be able to get into position to get your aoe on multiple targets without getting blown up instantly. Guise is just really good on Eve, though -- otherwise, you can get Aegis if no one else is and still be useful. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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interesting, I wasn't getting zhonyas at all to be honest. it sounds like a no brainer. still the rough few minutes when you're at ~1k gold and waiting for your rod  | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
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sylverfyre
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On July 13 2013 17:11 miicah wrote: Sorry I only based this off a game I saw the other night (and I don't have OGN sub) but their Eve only had a spirit stone. He did have Liandry's and abyssal so I assume he went one of those first. I think if you math it out, the 30AP + %currentHP magic damage burn on Liandry is comparable to 35AD + True Damage burn +10% CDR + regen on Lizard, and actually costs more (1400 to go guise->liandry, 1300 to go stone->Lizard) I'd need to math it out more thoroughly, it's likely it actually depends on MR/health numbers. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I don't really favour Zhonyas all that much anymore, I've had more success just build tanky after Lizard Elder+Haunting Guise+(maybe)Sorc Boots. The thing is that instead of diving deep you can try helping kill the actual target to get your reset. I still might get it against an AoE team with significant amount of physical damage, but that doesn't happen very often :3 | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Haunting Guise is just way more cost effective at the point when you need it the most (fight for 2nd dragon, 3v3s on bottom lane, dives and counterganks on dives..) Also, mobilities are bad, I know koreans build them n stuff but I don't care, they bad on everyone ON EVERYONE. Especially on junglers who benefit so much from sorc boots (= Eve+Elise) So the build I'd reccomend is Spirit Stone+Boots1 -> SotEL+Boots1 -> SotEL+Sorc+Haunting Guise -> other stuff (Locket, Spirit Visage, maybe Zhonyas, perhaps a Void Staff later). You can replace Sorcs with Mercs if the tenacity and mres will help you a lot. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
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On August 07 2013 15:56 Scip wrote: Abyssal is pretty bad on Eve imo, I mean resistances are pretty nice but you do need some HP. Haunting Guise is just way more cost effective at the point when you need it the most (fight for 2nd dragon, 3v3s on bottom lane, dives and counterganks on dives..) Also, mobilities are bad, I know koreans build them n stuff but I don't care, they bad on everyone ON EVERYONE. Especially on junglers who benefit so much from sorc boots (= Eve+Elise) So the build I'd reccomend is Spirit Stone+Boots1 -> SotEL+Boots1 -> SotEL+Sorc+Haunting Guise -> other stuff (Locket, Spirit Visage, maybe Zhonyas, perhaps a Void Staff later). You can replace Sorcs with Mercs if the tenacity and mres will help you a lot. I'll try that, thanks. Are mobos really considered to be that bad? Seems that the extra movespeed is pretty awesome. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Before anyone jumps on me because Helios built Abyssal right after Lizard, that was because he had both Vlad and Ryze on his team (massive magic AoEs) | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
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On August 07 2013 21:20 Scip wrote: I don't know if they are considered bad, but for what it's worth I do consider them to be very bad. Before anyone jumps on me because Helios built Abyssal right after Lizard, that was because he had both Vlad and Ryze on his team (massive magic AoEs) I went sorcs into rylais into haunting guise into chainmail/negatron and did WAY more this game. Great tip Scip. EDIT: Another question: how would I follow up from my build? It feels that when I have sotEL,sorcs, haunting guise and Rylais I got a weird build path. What do you guys recommend to build after that? Like vs heavy AD, vs heavy AP, what kind of build paths would you guys recommend? | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On junglers I don't think I'd ever buy mobos because a large chunk of your travel time is going to be spent hitting creeps, minimizing the benefit of the mobos. I do buy them on Malphite, Maokai, and other initiators who just need to get in range for one spell, then don't really care too much after that. sorry for the digression just wanted to spread some mobolove | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On August 08 2013 04:11 Tooplark wrote: Mobos are great for what they do. What they do is give you incredible roaming and lane-swapping potential, and some extra initiating power. What they don't do is basically anything else, so you better be prepared to abuse that. On junglers I don't think I'd ever buy mobos because a large chunk of your travel time is going to be spent hitting creeps, minimizing the benefit of the mobos. I do buy them on Malphite, Maokai, and other initiators who just need to get in range for one spell, then don't really care too much after that. sorry for the digression just wanted to spread some mobolove Eve is also an initiator, but her W is pretty damn good so I don't think she needs them. Also, KT Kakao gets a crystalline flask after spirit stone and boots 1. Thoughts? Eve takes a lot of damage in the jungle so you need to buy 1-2 pots every single time you back to be high hp throughout the game. Crystalline flask would be a reasonably affordable option to get rid of this annoying cost throughout the game. Discuss. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
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