EPT[Champion] Evelynn - Page 15
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
On July 03 2013 22:25 Sakray wrote: Well, I was wondering, what does IBG means ? Iceborn Gauntlet aka Frozen Fist, the thing blue ezrael is so annoying with. Do you guys think spellvamp quints are worth it on jungle eve ? I´m running 3 atm and the sustain is pretty nice. I havent done any serious testing, but I feel that I can stay way longer in the jungle before my 1st back, if for example 1st gank isnt succesful. Ofc you sacrifice a lot, so I was wondering if they are worth it. | ||
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ShowBitz
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On July 03 2013 22:40 Kenpark wrote: Do you guys think spellvamp quints are worth it on jungle eve ? I´m running 3 atm and the sustain is pretty nice. I havent done any serious testing, but I feel that I can stay way longer in the jungle before my 1st back, if for example 1st gank isnt succesful. Ofc you sacrifice a lot, so I was wondering if they are worth it. Eve has some problem with the first jungle route, not that bad anyway (i always have almost full hp and 1-2 potion left); after the first back (i usually back when i can afford tier 1 boots+ spirit stone) your SV quints become useless in comparison with 3 AP flat quints. Furthermore you are an assassin so you must have the max output damage and not sustain. You can gain sustain with more usefull item than quints. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 04 2013 03:26 Seuss wrote: Spirit Stone isn't really enough on its own to keep Eve's health high, especially if you're going for Lizard Elder over Spectral Wraith (which, while funny for Smite heals, is not the best option for Eve jungle). You either need another source of sustain, or to plan around ganking with either a chunk of missing health or after you've backed. I definitely don't gank more than once per bluepill when I'm on Evelynn jungle  . I think passing up the Liz + Liandry rush for anything else is no good. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Yeah, I can see tear being good on a lane Eve. I have no idea, but it's very possible. No way it is even close to viable in jungle though. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Possibly dumb question, but what spells are people running on Eve? Jungling I go Smite/ Flash, but I'm really thinking about ghost or maybe even exhaust/cleanse instead of flash for more sticking power. I know its an artifact of playing a lot of support, but I believe exhaust is superior to ignite in most cases. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
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Argoth.
Germany1961 Posts
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On July 04 2013 20:36 Argoth. wrote: Anyone tried running Smite/Ignite and playing a heavy invade style against weak duelist junglers? Who plays bad duelist junglers nowadays? The worst duelist you can see in the jungle nowadays is Nasus and it's been such a long time I'm not seeing him and even if I face Nasus as jungle Eve, I should be able to go on a field day regardless of taking flash or ignite. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On July 04 2013 18:38 Blyf wrote: Interesting with tear on lane Eve. When does he get it and how does he use it? I mean, does he like clearing wraiths a lot instead of roaming or something? I forget but I don't think he did anything different. Seraphs is very strong on Eve so I think it mostly played off that. Keep in mind, tourney play lane Eve really isn't going to outroam as much as in soloq since most opponents just stick a pink in lane and know if you MIA. As for Ignite/Smite, I did it as a gimmick pre change Eve in jungle but it was mostly to cheese junglers. Now that jungling has evolved beyond that and Eve is a lot better, flash is just more stable. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
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ShowBitz
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On July 05 2013 20:06 Blyf wrote: Why is Seraphs very strong on Eve? You are a squishy champ (generally assassin build) + you are a melee champ = most of the time you are focused by the enemy team. With Seraph you have 2 shields, your ulti and the item itself; a great boost to your sustainability in team fight  | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On July 05 2013 21:45 ShowBitz wrote: You are a squishy champ (generally assassin build) + you are a melee champ = most of the time you are focused by the enemy team. With Seraph you have 2 shields, your ulti and the item itself; a great boost to your sustainability in team fight But why would it be better than rod of ages for example? You need over 3k current mana for the shield from Seraph to beat the health from RoA. Because of her passive, I don't think Eve should have any mana problem after the laning phase, especially if she gets any mana items. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On July 05 2013 21:54 NpG)Explosive wrote: But why would it be better than rod of ages for example? You need over 3k current mana for the shield from Seraph to beat the health from RoA. Because of her passive, I don't think Eve should have any mana problem after the laning phase, especially if she gets any mana items. This is about lane Eve right? In that case you should get consistent blue buffs so most of the time mana won't be a problem, although with her current costs a mana item might be good if you are going for a heavy pushing strat. And if you disregard the mana, I think that rylais is still the best health option for Eve, especially if you are against adc's like ez or cait, who you probably won't catch up to with just R and W. Edit: Also on the topic of liandry's: imo the best thing to do is to just sit on a guise, because otherwise you pay 1500 for 100 hp, 25 ap and a dot you will never use. | ||
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ShowBitz
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Rod of Ages: 450 Hp 450 Mana 80 AP Seraph's Embrace: 1000 Mana +10 Mana Reg. almost 120 AP ( 60 AP from item and 30 AP each 1k Mana stacked, Evelyn at lvl 18 has 936 Mana so almost 2k mana) And now why Seraph is better: - 40 more AP ( Much burst damage) - Mana reg. (I know maybe you say that is not so important in late game but we have to count anyway) - You dont need 3k mana to beat RoA HP in fact if you start fight with Seraph passive you will have: 20% of your current mana (if you have 2k mana its like 400 shield) + 150= 500-550 Shield in total > 450 Hp Edit. If you played Eve in the right way its a extremly hungry mana champ, you must poke with your Q and avoid your enemy to farm, push the lane,etc.; in this way during the early-mid game you cant take a great advantage of your passive. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
If you get a tear in such matchups, wouldn't they just kill you? After all, you can't really farm safely from range like a lux or jayce nor do you get damage with it like ryze. And yes, I know that you can poke more, but in such situations, if you poke the zed will just ult you and then you are dead. Imo you get a big powerspike when you get guise + sorc shoes, which will be quite delayed if you get a tear. | ||
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ShowBitz
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On July 05 2013 22:34 Fildun wrote: From my experience you only have mana issues when you can poke the opponent in lane. This is most of the time vs melee champs like Zed, Jayce or Khazix. If you get a tear in such matchups, wouldn't they just kill you? After all, you can't really farm safely from range like a lux or jayce nor do you get damage with it like ryze. And yes, I know that you can poke more, but in such situations, if you poke the zed will just ult you and then you are dead. Imo you get a big powerspike when you get guise + sorc shoes, which will be quite delayed if you get a tear. Probably you understimate your Q range, ok probably you will have more difficulty to poke champ like Lux,Xerath, Ryze( for his snare) but you can always harass your enemy with a smart strategy. Obviously we are always talking in case of equal skills players. In reference to melee champ like Zed & co., with Eve you can completly deny their farm or damage a lot with your Q pressure, your Q ALWAYS hit your enemy not like skillshot that can be avoided (Ex. Zed's Q) plus you have an incredible skill... your W!!! It's remove ALL slow you had and can avoid all melee fight and at the same time stay in range for your Q. From my experience champ like Zed,Khazix and others are a easy match-up for Eve. Btw 520 gold for tear worth it even if delay other items. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On July 05 2013 22:52 ShowBitz wrote: Probably you understimate your Q range, ok probably you will have more difficulty to poke champ like Lux,Xerath, Ryze( for his snare) but you can always harass your enemy with a smart strategy. Obviously we are always talking in case of equal skills players. In reference to melee champ like Zed & co., with Eve you can completly deny their farm or damage a lot with your Q pressure, your Q ALWAYS hit your enemy not like skillshot that can be avoided (Ex. Zed's Q) plus you have an incredible skill... your W!!! It's remove ALL slow you had and can avoid all melee fight and at the same time stay in range for your Q. From my experience champ like Zed,Khazix and others are a easy match-up for Eve. Btw 520 gold for tear worth it even if delay other items. Hmmm, I'll try it next time I play eve mid. Still, zed is a freewin and imo you can stomp him even harder if you go full offensive, assuming you can get blues. And lategame I'd rather have a DFG or zhonya active than a 500 hp shield, assuming you don't rush head-first into a teamfight. | ||
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