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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
April 25 2013 20:49 GMT
#241
Is full AP eve mid still viable? I played it in a couple of normals recently and it felt very powerful. It might also have been that I was against a full squishy team so I could basically instagib anyone, but it felt really strong.
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 23:31:50
April 25 2013 22:00 GMT
#242
On April 26 2013 05:49 Fildun wrote:
Is full AP eve mid still viable? I played it in a couple of normals recently and it felt very powerful. It might also have been that I was against a full squishy team so I could basically instagib anyone, but it felt really strong.


According to lolking I am 14-3 with Eve in my last 17 games (diamond 3). A week ago my highest rank ever was plat. I think she's plenty powerful.

/brag

Edit: Make that 16-3. 1 more win for D2.
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 25 2013 23:35 GMT
#243
On April 26 2013 05:49 Fildun wrote:
Is full AP eve mid still viable? I played it in a couple of normals recently and it felt very powerful. It might also have been that I was against a full squishy team so I could basically instagib anyone, but it felt really strong.

AP eve still super strong. NA and EU haven't played Eve in a really long time but she's still picked up regularly in the Asian scene, although some teams prefer to run her as a jungler.
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 08:15:59
May 02 2013 08:14 GMT
#244
Ran into an interesting Diamond V Jungle Eve player today. His build was 4 Spirit of the Elder Lizard + Sorcerer's Shoes. Here's his runes and masteries if you're interested in trying his build out, his summoners were Smite + Exhaust. I have no idea if his build is actually good or if he was just more skilled than us and trolling hard. I suspect that the build is actually good.

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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
May 02 2013 09:10 GMT
#245
That actually looks like a pretty good build, with so much true damage on your Q's.(if it stacks, I'm not quite sure)
Unfortunately you will get called a troll if you do that at Gold V
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
May 02 2013 10:27 GMT
#246
The true dmg doesn't stack and the butcher passive is inconsequential. The reason stacking lizards works it that the item is underpriced. Comparing lizard to BF sword you pay 450 gold for 14 health regen, 7 mana regen and 10 cdr. The health regen alone is worth 450 gold. This is ignoring both passives.

Going lizard elder into tank items is pretty standard on Eve jungle and works on mid too.
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 13:49:36
May 02 2013 13:42 GMT
#247
No, that build is utter shit.....stacking that much regen is a complete waste and evelynn doesn't even need any mana regen. All that regen is basically completely wasted as you could build any lifesteal or spellvamp and have full health constantly anyway. With the regen gone you are paying 2k for 1890g worth of stats, and the passive doesn't stack so you can quarter whatever value you assign to its tiny amount of true damage.

Compare that gold efficiency with basically any other tier 3 item, its fucking awful.

In the end though is doesnt matter what its efficiency is. AD Eve with no survivability items whatsoever is made of paper and will get blown up instantly.
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Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 09:24:15
May 03 2013 07:56 GMT
#248
Yeah I agree that the build seems bad. I was more rather replying to the concept of stacking lizards and why it doesn't matter that the passive doesn't stack.

Edit: Oh yeah one more thing, I have no idea why you think health regen is bad. Warmogs was popular and it has 1% health per 5 which translates to 30 health per 5 at 3000 max hp. Lizard is 14 per 5.
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
May 03 2013 08:41 GMT
#249
If the passive doesn't stack it's pretty bad yeah.
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
May 03 2013 09:11 GMT
#250
Mid game: Kill a target with 1500 hp from full (typical gank) and the true dmg from lizard will have dealt 25 dmg. It's not the passive that makes the difference...
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 27 2013 08:45 GMT
#251
how in the hell is jungle eve supposed to accomplish anything early levels?
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czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
June 27 2013 09:22 GMT
#252
On June 27 2013 17:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
how in the hell is jungle eve supposed to accomplish anything early levels?


you need to have the right runes and masteries. Jungle Eve is really a hybrid eve, you gain something around +16 damage @ lvl 1 on hatespike with the setup. Once you get Lizard Elder, the combination of CDR and true damage doubles your jungle speed and does a ton of damage in ganks.
What I like to do as eve is just constantly camp the bot lane. Eventually the enemy jungler is gonna come bot and you can countergank him in the river.
Jungle Eve(diamondprox build)
must start 21/9(AP w/ jungle masteries) and 9 AD Marks/3 AP Quints
Build: Rush Lizard Elder->then build AP/Mpen or Tanky depending on what's happening in the game
walrus
Profile Joined February 2010
Vietnam68 Posts
June 27 2013 11:52 GMT
#253
Evelynn is the strongest jungler in 3.7 (according to Diamondprox). I played her yesterday with great success.

Remember her stats gain per level are quite huge (only 2-3 champion are better). If you do well in first 5mins, you will snowball hard.
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 27 2013 12:56 GMT
#254
great champion, might use him once a while
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 27 2013 13:19 GMT
#255
Yeah, I think she is the strongest jungler in the game too
Same as czylu, I find the most success in ganking bottom lane often. Because you are squishy, you have to be careful about counterganks, but it's workable.
Early on I agree that it's hard to accomplish anything, which is why I prioritize farming. Fortunately you are one of the fastest junglers in the game.

For runes I use AD marks, armor Seals and flat AP Glyphs and Quintessences, to maximize my damage in order to farm faster (and also do more damage, duh). 21/9/0 masteries with AP and flat AD masteries in the offense.
As czylu said, elder lizard and boots1 first, sorcs+haunting guise is the usual followup, but depending on enemy damage merc treads and ninja tabi are viable options. Zhonyas is a very good early item against AD-only teams, or it can be bought later if appropriate. I myself have been experimenting with Sheen and similiar items, but it's too early to tell whether it's a good idea or not.
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Aezo-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada378 Posts
June 27 2013 21:11 GMT
#256
How do you typically engage with her when your ult is down? With ult everything feels good, I've got the burst I need to bring someone down in a gank, they can't get away fast. Without ult I feel like people would get to their tower without taking enough damage to force a back.

I'm used to elise and the stun basically telling my laner to go all out on the laner and without that some of my ganks feel lackluster. Now that I've written all this out I think it's more a matter of me playing her a bit more / picking better gank targets.. oh well.

Another question do you ever w as you're entering vision to close distance? Or do you save it for when people start trying to run away?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 27 2013 22:07 GMT
#257
Yeah, when your ult is down you have to rely on your teammate's CC and/or coming from a superior angle (somewhat from behind). I do W to get in range from the front quite often, you can save it if the enemy has some slow to try to escape or if you come from side/behind though. And yeah, you have to be very very picky about your gank targets.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 23:56:16
June 27 2013 23:52 GMT
#258
So does jungle eve with SotEL rely on autos also do deal damage? Because if it is the case, the new wits end should be interesting on her, buffing her auto dmg, jungle farming and magic shred for a fair price.
Alternatively, does twin shadow sound good on eve? I mean the slow could help ganking when your ult is down and the item itself is really cost efficient as well? (correct me if i'm wrong)

*btw, should jungle eve max w or e second? I mean e does crazy dmg maxed, but the mana cost goes through the roof while w is no cost and makes you a real pain to chase/get away from....
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 28 2013 01:42 GMT
#259
Jungle Eve with lizard elder doesn't really care about autos altho it helps. Lizard elder procs on your Q and your Q also has an AD ratio. I think most people max W after Q.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 28 2013 02:14 GMT
#260
Yes, max W, you aren't very likely to stay in range for autoattacks right after Eing very often, either because you are squishy or because you don't have your W maxed :p And no, you don't rely on your autoattacks much.

Haven't tried Twin Shadows, but it seems kinda meh. While you truely don't have many options for Magic Resistance, you have even fewer for HP, and if you desire a slow I think Rylais should work better.
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