It's been entirely too long since this fat piece of shit was on the front page.
So with the advent of the CDR boots I find them to be much more useful than Mercs, which I used to get.
40% CDR on Urgot is imba as shit:
- shield on cooldown = 320 EHP every 7 second plus a slow? Insane. Not to mention if Urgot is built with a little tankiness (ie Frozen heart for Armor/mana/more CDR and/or BV or Randuin's) the shield will absorb more attacks through damage reduction.

-4 Acid hunters per Corrosive charge instead of 3: I can't emphasize how much of a difference in poking wars this makes, not to mention chasing down fleeing champions.

My question though is where should Urgot's necessary CDR come from?
15% boots, 25% Frozen heart?
Boots/runes/masteries/Bruta or GB?
Boots/Bruta/Randuins/runes?
Kindlegem? (Is this even viable on Urgot?)

I'm leaning towards boots/frozen heart with Mres glyphs instead of CDR.

Now as far as damage is concerned, I've noticed I'm starving for mana less early game...I still feel like Manamune is still necessary but are mana regen yellows?
Also before the buffs a while ago I was building Triforce: now that Corrosive charge scales from AD there is much less need to build anything but AD items for damage. Which items should be built however?
LW is good and all but you quickly run out of room for damaging items if you're building boots/manamune/frozen heart and maybe brutalizer. I'm thinking of cutting outt he bruta in favor of more damage later.
Bloodthirster seems like the best choice even though Urgot barely benefits from the lifesteal...I just don't see any other AD items being nearly as useful...

Just incoherent ramblings above but please continue to contribute to the discussion about everyone's favourite paraplegic, diabetic, mechanical spiderman!

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 03 2011 19:52 GMT

#83

if you want to rush max cdr on Durgot, I'd run CDR Glyphs, 9/0/21, brutalizer, and CDR boots. Otherwise, I'd pass on the bruta and just hog blue buff or blue pot to max it.

Odds

Canada1188 Posts

February 03 2011 20:13 GMT

#84

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=470405

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

February 03 2011 20:39 GMT

#85

One of the better urgots, bruiseleet, gets the CDR from frozenheart/brutalizer and I tend to agree with this. Merc treads are just essential in every game unless your playing glass cannon, and you tend to get greaves then. urgot's CDs arent long enough to make use of the CDR boots, the CC reduction more important imo

Manamune/treads/brutalizer/veil/frozenheart. makes you a monster tank with good poke and good initation, cant ask for much more then that when it comes to solo q.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 03 2011 20:45 GMT

#86

have to say, after reading thru, i heartily approve of his guide. thats also a really good case for bruta, i've recently turned my nose up at it in favor of lw, but may come back to it, it was my first 'favorite' item on urgot after all. The only issue i have with it is how lackluster ghostblade is on urgot, otherwise i would be 100% for it (that and the new lw is pretty sick)

edit: i think, if i went cdr boots, i wouldnt go bruta, but if i feel forced to go merc treads, i would certainly get it

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

February 03 2011 20:50 GMT

#87

He lists BR as a situational item on Urgot, while at the same time crying about his low ASpd once every two sentences. Q doesn't apply on-hits.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 03 2011 20:58 GMT

#88

lack of aspeed is easily made up for by q's, both locked on and not. as far as BR goes, i dont really agree with getting it (ever) but there are significantly worse guides out there, and i agree with like 95% (if not more) of the content given. Im also pretty sure he runs the same runepage as i do (apen marks/quints, mp5pl yellows and blues)

edit: to give you perspective, i've been told several times to get rageblade on urgot, to which i laugh heartily, seeing a guide where i agree with the choices he makes is refreshing to say the least.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

February 03 2011 20:59 GMT

#89

Wow this build is pretty much how I was originally playing him.
Lately I've been building more AD but maybe that's why I haven't been doing as well.
I think it all stems from the frustration of not being able to carry games so I've been building AD to carry harder, forgetting that Urgot isn't a hard carry.

An excellent guide, this will really bring me back to my roots.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 03 2011 21:02 GMT

#90

the thing with stacking ad on urgot, is that with my core of manamune + frozen heart + bveil (he doesnt think heart is core, but i think its a terrific item that he undervalues), you already have like 270 AD, you shouldnt be desperately needing more. Not to mention the fact that you are reeeally hard to kill, and you can then make the decision to either get harder to kill or kill things easier depending on how the game is going.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 03 2011 21:04 GMT

#91

270 AD wut?

like, let's say 110 base AD, you're saying you'll get 160 from manamune? that would take 7K mana... you don't have 7K mana. Bears aren't very good at math IMOIMOIMO

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 03 2011 21:04 GMT

#92

idk, thats about what i always seem to end up on after building that.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

February 03 2011 21:08 GMT

#93

Red Elix + Baron + Aegis + Janna E?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 03 2011 21:09 GMT

#94

I disagree. you're straight up trippin' balls, or you're not revealing your secret 1900 elo secrets.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 03 2011 21:29 GMT

#95

oh, add lw and subtract ~ 20 ad

#1

its a little bit over 200 with just those 3 items

edit: i have no idea where i got 270 from, i feel kinda silly now

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 03 2011 21:39 GMT

#96

ok, sure, 202 at level 18 with those 3

http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Urgot/?items=112,76,29,70&runes=36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,375,375,375,375,375,375,375,375,375,40,40,40,40,40,40,40,40,40,62,62,62&masteries=0000000000000003023010000000030140131031301&level=18

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 03 2011 23:18 GMT

#97

i've decided

i really like bruta again. big suprise.....

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

February 03 2011 23:27 GMT

#98

you need brutalizer on urgot. the whole point of urgot is to shit on whoever is mid, similar to panth. the earlier you get brutalizer, the earlier you send them back to base every 2 minutes. Then after that whole early game thing is over you start building up your tear in preparation for manamune. You dont need early manamune on urgot because he maxes it so quickly.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

February 03 2011 23:32 GMT

#99

On February 04 2011 06:39 Mogwai wrote:
ok, sure, 202 at level 18 with those 3

http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Urgot/?items=112,76,29,70&runes=36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,375,375,375,375,375,375,375,375,375,40,40,40,40,40,40,40,40,40,62,62,62&masteries=0000000000000003023010000000030140131031301&level=18

Inb4 veigar gets old ulti back.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 07 2011 17:33 GMT

#100

update!

added bruseleets guide as a good reference. mostly just confirms what i've been doing. it made me change my early items to tear->bruta tho, before finishing manamune and continuing on to the core. i really like bruta again (herp de derp, since a 2k player tells me too ;>), i still think that depending on how things are going, you can afford to NOT have bruta and go cdr boots instead, tho im not sure how this fits in with things and when i would want to do this.