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On September 18 2015 11:58 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 11:30 Thaniri wrote:On September 18 2015 07:04 Garemie wrote:
[*]Zerg
[list][*]Creep now recedes twice as fast.
I'm back to playing SC2. This is the change that I've been bitching about for 4 years. They already made it spread and recede faster so now i guess it's 3x as fast receeding as HOTS needed though, it spreads insanely fast (you get quite a lot more out of every tumor if you spread it on cooldown and people also drop more tumors) and sometimes you clear half a map of creep and it's still kinda there for quite a while
The frustration was clearing the creep, and then zerg being able to put down a tumour as soon as they chase your army off of creep.
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Is there a cap on how many injects you can put per hathery?
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On September 18 2015 11:58 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 11:30 Thaniri wrote:On September 18 2015 07:04 Garemie wrote:
[*]Zerg
[list][*]Creep now recedes twice as fast.
I'm back to playing SC2. This is the change that I've been bitching about for 4 years. They already made it spread and recede faster so now i guess it's 3x as fast receeding as HOTS needed though, it spreads insanely fast (you get quite a lot more out of every tumor if you spread it on cooldown and people also drop more tumors) and sometimes you clear half a map of creep and it's still kinda there for quite a while
The last receding change did not make it into the last patch, only this one.
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It's sad, really. I could see that glimmer of hope in people's eyes with the macro-patch. Everyone praising Kim. Praising the transparency and the bold decisions. I was almost sucked into the vortex of propaganda myself, too. But then I remembered who I was dealing with. And I thought: "these people are going to be burned; they forget that this is the one and only, David Kim. The master of false-hope and Starcraft seppuku."
Really people . . . we've had 5 years. We've had Broodlord-Infestor. We've had Mothership Core. We've had Swarm Hosts. We've had decisions that the vast majority of the community disagree with. We've had a declining viewership and player-base. And in response to the communities feedback? At best, we've had years of waiting for results. At worst, we've had crickets.
So to make it even more short and sweet: we've had this happen before. And now it's happening again. Surprise!
Never forget and never underestimate the laziness and egomania of the one and only David Kim. To paraphrase Greg "Idra" Fields:
"Something something tire iron . . . "
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On September 18 2015 12:14 Beliskner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 11:58 Cyro wrote:On September 18 2015 11:30 Thaniri wrote:On September 18 2015 07:04 Garemie wrote:
[*]Zerg
[list][*]Creep now recedes twice as fast.
I'm back to playing SC2. This is the change that I've been bitching about for 4 years. They already made it spread and recede faster so now i guess it's 3x as fast receeding as HOTS needed though, it spreads insanely fast (you get quite a lot more out of every tumor if you spread it on cooldown and people also drop more tumors) and sometimes you clear half a map of creep and it's still kinda there for quite a while The last receding change did not make it into the last patch, only this one.
Oh really, why? No wonder you clear half the map of creep and walk to his base and back and it's all still there
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I've been unable to play for 2 months. But reading all the updates since has made me sad. It blows my mind that it will be out in 2 months...
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"We want to make almost new game with many changes"
"Oops, they don't work, let's go back to old stuff with several new units"
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On September 18 2015 12:54 Strelok wrote:
"We want to make almost new game with many changes"
"Oops, they don't work, let's go back to old stuff with several new units"
There wasn't even a patch to adjust or change anything. They just changed it then reverted next patch.
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I don't have to test these changes out, there're shit.
Mule is back... are you fucking kidding me?
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Right after changing my hotkey set up to not include injecting...
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On September 18 2015 12:31 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 12:14 Beliskner wrote:On September 18 2015 11:58 Cyro wrote:On September 18 2015 11:30 Thaniri wrote:On September 18 2015 07:04 Garemie wrote:
[*]Zerg
[list][*]Creep now recedes twice as fast.
I'm back to playing SC2. This is the change that I've been bitching about for 4 years. They already made it spread and recede faster so now i guess it's 3x as fast receeding as HOTS needed though, it spreads insanely fast (you get quite a lot more out of every tumor if you spread it on cooldown and people also drop more tumors) and sometimes you clear half a map of creep and it's still kinda there for quite a while The last receding change did not make it into the last patch, only this one. Oh really, why? No wonder you clear half the map of creep and walk to his base and back and it's all still there
Not sure, check out the * on the last line.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/19886262/legacy-of-the-void-beta-balance-update-september-3-2015-9-3-2015
Someone must have forgot to make the change.
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Yes!.. Multi tasking is back!!! now balance the units ^_^
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Apparently this doesn't mean anything:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/494703-poll-macro-booster-community-feedback
Only 30% of people for the revert... The "test for auto or no-boosters" lasted what, 1-2 weeks before they were convinced they would revert back. I'm sure it was a real close decision, 50-50% like you said 
Just change everything back to HOTS levels already, and if you do that give me a refund, cause I'm not just paying for new units. New chromo is shit, and so is the inject stacking.
And the mules... fucking unbelievable... I don't think I've ever read anyone's post that defends late game muling shit.
The game was really fun for the last 2 weeks, I played a lot more. I don't feel excited at all to play right now.
"Community BREAKING NEWS on this day Nov 9th 2015, we know how much you LOVE hots and are looking forward to LOTV! Turns out... we're not planning on giving any reasons... but we just reverted the entire game to HOTS! GREAT news the economy with be the HOTS ECONOMY! YAY! We fucked around with some units, and that... well that wraps it up. Goodbye forever.... (signed: dev team)."
*I'm callin it now.
Ps. fuck esports when it dictates how a game is designed... I would have much rather had a fun game than an esport.
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Brb gonna slowdrop some lurkers. 
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On September 18 2015 11:52 BluemoonSC wrote:
Eliminate unnecessary clicks. The change reverts us back to square one.
Now Zerg does not have to check and recheck the inject timing. That saves clicks. Now Zerg can spam multiple injects or do preemptive injects which saves them from returning to base at later times. That saves clicks. Super high APM during micro intensive situations is not a requirement, it saves clicks in those windows.
On September 18 2015 11:52 BluemoonSC wrote:
Make the game easier for newbies. Sure. After a certain point you can check your hatcheries and maintain 100% uptime with no tempo, but to do this you have to do things that are harmful to your macro.
Players always end up with excess queen energy. Usually they use that energy on creep tumors for the hell of it. Now they can use it on a preemptive inject. Macro is not harmed. Even at the highest level, queen energy pools. I don't see why we are forced to think only in terms of the highest level either, since none of us here are at that level, and the few people who are there can speak for themselves if they care to. Every foreigner I have ever seen ends up with some excess queen energy. It may happen later in the game for you, but it will definitely happen.
On September 18 2015 11:52 BluemoonSC wrote:
The change doesn't affect the top percentage of players yet they're still required to multitask the same amount pre-patch while aggressively expanding and watch their fragile army, spread creep and overlords, etc. Which, as DK has mentioned, were the players complaining it was difficult to do everything they needed to do to win a game at the new lotv pace.
It does effect top level players, and the korean pros were not complaining about the new LOTV pace. Koreans already play full map macro games, there's nothing new about that for pro players. The korean pros were complaining about the punishing Zerg inject mechanic, which has now become alot more forgiving. The whole pacing of the inject has been changed. You can now inject on an adaptive schedule, and this is going to help pro players who fall even slightly behind in energy.
On September 18 2015 11:52 BluemoonSC wrote:
I understand it helps players, but I just don't think it is in tune with the direction blizz said they were heading nor does it provide newbies with proper assistance to deal with banked energy.
If your only point is that it doesn't eliminate clicks, well it does. If your point is that it does not help pros, well it does. Anything else?
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On September 18 2015 07:46 -NegativeZero- wrote:
yep just as predicted, regardless of what blizz does with the macro mechanics, the majority of the responses will always be bitching and complaining.
It's almost as if people have different opinions and we're not all just one huge hivemind who likes the same thing..
I personally only liked 2 options, old HotS model or no macro mechanics at all. These in-between versions doesn't suit me one bit, but I have to admit, this patch is probably the one I like most if it has to be somewhere in between..
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On September 18 2015 13:45 ShambhalaWar wrote:Apparently this doesn't mean anything: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/494703-poll-macro-booster-community-feedbackOnly 30% of people for the revert... The "test for auto or no-boosters" lasted what, 1-2 weeks before they were convinced they would revert back. I'm sure it was a real close decision, 50-50% like you said Just change everything back to HOTS levels already, and if you do that give me a refund, cause I'm not just paying for new units. New chromo is shit, and so is the inject stacking. And the mules... fucking unbelievable... I don't think I've ever read anyone's post that defends late game muling shit. The game was really fun for the last 2 weeks, I played a lot more. I don't feel excited at all to play right now. "Community BREAKING NEWS on this day Nov 9th 2015, we know how much you LOVE hots and are looking forward to LOTV! Turns out... we're not planning on giving any reasons... but we just reverted the entire game to HOTS! GREAT news the economy with be the HOTS ECONOMY! YAY! We fucked around with some units, and that... well that wraps it up. Goodbye forever.... (signed: dev team)." *I'm callin it now. Ps. fuck esports when it dictates how a game is designed... I would have much rather had a fun game than an esport.
Stop crying, even without mm removal the difference from hots to lotv is bigger then from wol to hots.
Why should you change everything when the game is already extremely good?
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On September 18 2015 14:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 13:45 ShambhalaWar wrote:Apparently this doesn't mean anything: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/494703-poll-macro-booster-community-feedbackOnly 30% of people for the revert... The "test for auto or no-boosters" lasted what, 1-2 weeks before they were convinced they would revert back. I'm sure it was a real close decision, 50-50% like you said Just change everything back to HOTS levels already, and if you do that give me a refund, cause I'm not just paying for new units. New chromo is shit, and so is the inject stacking. And the mules... fucking unbelievable... I don't think I've ever read anyone's post that defends late game muling shit. The game was really fun for the last 2 weeks, I played a lot more. I don't feel excited at all to play right now. "Community BREAKING NEWS on this day Nov 9th 2015, we know how much you LOVE hots and are looking forward to LOTV! Turns out... we're not planning on giving any reasons... but we just reverted the entire game to HOTS! GREAT news the economy with be the HOTS ECONOMY! YAY! We fucked around with some units, and that... well that wraps it up. Goodbye forever.... (signed: dev team)." *I'm callin it now. Ps. fuck esports when it dictates how a game is designed... I would have much rather had a fun game than an esport. Stop crying, even without mm removal the difference from hots to lotv is bigger then from wol to hots. Why should you change everything when the game is already extremely good?
Because there are fundamental problems that we've been told time and time again for the last 5 years would -ONLY- be changed in an expansion beta.
THAT is the problem mindset.
If they had a 2-3 months of the year off-season where they did serious design adjustments (instead of just balance tweaks) it wouldn't be a big issue but it's very likely they'll lock in a design and refuse to change it ever again.
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On September 18 2015 14:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 13:45 ShambhalaWar wrote:Apparently this doesn't mean anything: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/494703-poll-macro-booster-community-feedbackOnly 30% of people for the revert... The "test for auto or no-boosters" lasted what, 1-2 weeks before they were convinced they would revert back. I'm sure it was a real close decision, 50-50% like you said Just change everything back to HOTS levels already, and if you do that give me a refund, cause I'm not just paying for new units. New chromo is shit, and so is the inject stacking. And the mules... fucking unbelievable... I don't think I've ever read anyone's post that defends late game muling shit. The game was really fun for the last 2 weeks, I played a lot more. I don't feel excited at all to play right now. "Community BREAKING NEWS on this day Nov 9th 2015, we know how much you LOVE hots and are looking forward to LOTV! Turns out... we're not planning on giving any reasons... but we just reverted the entire game to HOTS! GREAT news the economy with be the HOTS ECONOMY! YAY! We fucked around with some units, and that... well that wraps it up. Goodbye forever.... (signed: dev team)." *I'm callin it now. Ps. fuck esports when it dictates how a game is designed... I would have much rather had a fun game than an esport. Stop crying, even without mm removal the difference from hots to lotv is bigger then from wol to hots. Why should you change everything when the game is already extremely good?
because the game is not already extremely good ldo
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On September 18 2015 14:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 13:45 ShambhalaWar wrote:Apparently this doesn't mean anything: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/494703-poll-macro-booster-community-feedbackOnly 30% of people for the revert... The "test for auto or no-boosters" lasted what, 1-2 weeks before they were convinced they would revert back. I'm sure it was a real close decision, 50-50% like you said Just change everything back to HOTS levels already, and if you do that give me a refund, cause I'm not just paying for new units. New chromo is shit, and so is the inject stacking. And the mules... fucking unbelievable... I don't think I've ever read anyone's post that defends late game muling shit. The game was really fun for the last 2 weeks, I played a lot more. I don't feel excited at all to play right now. "Community BREAKING NEWS on this day Nov 9th 2015, we know how much you LOVE hots and are looking forward to LOTV! Turns out... we're not planning on giving any reasons... but we just reverted the entire game to HOTS! GREAT news the economy with be the HOTS ECONOMY! YAY! We fucked around with some units, and that... well that wraps it up. Goodbye forever.... (signed: dev team)." *I'm callin it now. Ps. fuck esports when it dictates how a game is designed... I would have much rather had a fun game than an esport. Stop crying, even without mm removal the difference from hots to lotv is bigger then from wol to hots. Why should you change everything when the game is already extremely good?
The more they change the more worried I am. Nearly every single unit added in HOTS received changes after release, some of those drastic nerfs. They went so far as to remove one of the units from the game far after release. Most of the changes introduced in LotV don't seem to stand up, or if they work are awkward. The beta is in a mess and they only have until November 10th to get it in shape.
I doubt it's enough time for the team that took forever to deal with BL/Infestor, MC+Blink, and SH. They seem to know that too and are reverting change after change. What LotV will look like a few months after the top Korean teams have figured it out isn't certain, but it doesn't seem likely it'll be a pretty sight.
But who knows, maybe they'll buff that DT speed to 3.375 and put the Warhound back in and everything will be perfect?
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