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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On September 18 2015 08:50 Beliskner wrote: Increased creep spread was in the patch before this if you didn't realize. Yes, that was fine with those mechanics. But now it doesn't spread as fast , but STILL recedes faster, even though injects were converted to manual. So they kept the nerf to creep receding, which was supposedly only done because the of not having to inject, but still kept inject? | ||
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WhaleOFaTALE1
47 Posts
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Beliskner
111 Posts
On September 18 2015 08:54 Spyridon wrote: Yes, that was fine with those mechanics. But now it doesn't spread as fast , but STILL recedes faster, even though injects were converted to manual. So they kept the nerf to creep receding, which was supposedly only done because the of not having to inject, but still kept inject? What are you talking about STILL receding faster? It is NOW receding faster in this patch, and spread speed was increased last patch. What does injects have to do with spread creep. Last patch it spread faster, and receded at normal speed. Now it still spreads just as fast, but now recedes faster. | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On September 18 2015 08:57 WhaleOFaTALE1 wrote: If Chrono is always on, then why is there a cooldown? Its a cooldown for switching chrono between buildings. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On September 18 2015 08:05 Charoisaur wrote: it's the same for the other races. We have to hit our production circles every x seconds or we are punished severaly. Zerg doesn't get punished for missing production circles because they bank larvae and then just spawn all units at once. Injects balance this out. Just view them as the zerg production circle. Zerg still has to produce units, and they have an extra layer of complexities when u factor in drones, which are basically their own resource, and the timings of when u can actually build drones or units. And you have to bank drones in this game as well if u wont want to lose. I know exactly how it is to use production cycles on the other races, and it was the same way for Zerg in BW... Any Zerg who has played both BW and SC2 knows that production cycles are FAR FAR more convenient!! In BW Zerg only had 3 larvae per base and if you did not use them, it would be wasted time. You actually had LESS time to use them than you have between injecting larvae in SC2. It is NOT about the APM required!! But in BW, you were REWARDED for CONSTANTLY PRODUCING. It all makes sense from a gameplay perspective. Now, it has nothing to do with keeping up your UNIT PRODUCTION, you have to keep up LARVAE production, completely separate from all unit production. It's clunky, does not feel natural, and is unforgiving compared ot the other races. Problem is, it is tied in to the new balance of units & macro system in SC2. You have to bank eggs and use units that are nowhere near as efficient just to survive long enough to macro harder. I would prefer production cycles like BW WAY WAY ahead of stupid spawn larvae mehcanics... That is why I am switching to Terran... | ||
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okto
United States20 Posts
I main terran, but play all three races at about a platinum level, although I used to be diamond. To make a few really simple points without trying to make some big hoohah about design theory and other bull's crap: 1.I was really excited to play without boosters. I thought it was fun. 2.I was ok with playing with auto-boosters, but didn't think it was fun, especially protoss. Their new mechanic is too confusing to control. 3.Was disappointed to have boosters come back, but was actually surprised to see how fun zerg is with forgiving injects. 4.Based purely on fun-ness, I think protoss chrono should be reverted to the HOTS version, Terran mule should be nerfed slightly to prevent lategame mule hammer, and zerg is fine. 5.I wish more people had fun playing SC2. I think the reason why more people seemed to enjoy Brood War so much was because the game was designed to be fun, not to be an e-sport, as such a thing didn't exist yet. Would we have nukes if this game was designed to be competitive? Prolly not, too hard to balance to make them worth it. That is all. /opinion edit: fixed some grammer/spelling caused by brain-fartation | ||
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ETisME
12627 Posts
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A_Scarecrow
Australia721 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On September 18 2015 08:53 JackONeill wrote: Good patch as long as macro mechs go. However : JUST REMOVE THE PHOTON OVERCHARGE ALREADY. IT SERVES NO F***ING PURPOSE. The main reason that Photon Overcharge exists is to add defenders advantage to pvp. They added it because WOL pvp was arguably the worst of the matchups and the hardest matchup to secure a natural in. | ||
Feisty
Vatican City State35 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
Thanks Blizzard for removing auto-everything. Another step in the right direciton. Edit: To clarify, sure remove the mechanics all together, but this will take a ton of balancing that would take months and isn't really feasible (major change too late in the beta, would have had to been done earlier on to allow for adequate testing)... | ||
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Elendur
Canada43 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On September 18 2015 07:29 floor exercise wrote: And just minutes ago I was reading an interview with Chris Sigaty gushing about how bold and courageous the design team has been with their changes Then they heard Nov 10 release and needed to hurry the fuck up. Sad but true probably | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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Bohemond
United States163 Posts
On September 18 2015 09:33 Cyro wrote: The main reason that Photon Overcharge exists is to add defenders advantage to pvp. They added it because WOL pvp was arguably the worst of the 9 matchups and the hardest matchup to secure a natural in. Holy shit man, I've been playing and watching this game for 5 years and there are three whole match ups I've never even seen. My mind is blown right now. On topic: Almost this entire patch is undoing things they just did. It's a pathetic patch. There are two things that are most interesting about it though. First, no Adept rework, which I really hope is in the pipeline. Second, with the Cyclone buff if you rush out Cyclones blind in TvP the Warp Prism + Adept all-in might be holdable. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On September 18 2015 09:54 Bohemond wrote: Holy shit man, I've been playing and watching this game for 5 years and there are three whole match ups I've never even seen. My mind is blown right now. You are lucky. I mean ZvP is fun but PvZ is just terrible. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 18 2015 09:54 Bohemond wrote: Holy shit man, I've been playing and watching this game for 5 years and there are three whole match ups I've never even seen. My mind is blown right now. On topic: Almost this entire patch is undoing things they just did. It's a pathetic patch. There are two things that are most interesting about it though. First, no Adept rework, which I really hope is in the pipeline. Second, with the Cyclone buff if you rush out Cyclones blind in TvP the Warp Prism + Adept all-in might be holdable. TvT PvP ZvZ TvZ PvZ TvP RvZ RvT RvP RvR It's 10 actually  | ||
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Kyrth
United States101 Posts
On September 18 2015 08:52 WhaleOFaTALE1 wrote: If you havent played in 5 years why the hell are you commenting in this thread!?!? That is so ignorant its not even funny. No wonder blizz is confused. It hears opinions from people who dont even play and then trys to implement ideas with no or very little actual game knowledge. Are you joking?. Well, Mr. 7 posts, here's my reasoning. Maybe you can get over your anger to understand where I'm coming from. I played SC1 and BW. Stopped playing to go to college and life in general. In Wings of Liberty, I was Diamond zerg. I was fairly decent, but found it not at all fun to play vs terran where mule spam made worker damage feel meaningless. But more than that racial difference, it was just hellishly annoying to get back into the game after any time off. It was 90% macro mechanics, inject inject inject, or lose. I played HOTS singleplayer only. I toyed with the multiplayer and found the core mechanics of the game were just as broken. Now LOTV beta came out, I pre purchased it when I heard they were removing the macro mechanics and have played a few hundred games. So yes. I play the game. So I get to post here. Get over yourself. | ||
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Obsi
87 Posts
Now just give us the old chrono boost back and the game will be hella fun again  I also think 10 starting workers would be fine/better too, but I guess it's already too late for them to change that, but whatever. Disruptors still fill useless/gimmicky tho. 1 hit in per fight that is easily dodgeable and weird controlling (you manually have to select the "shot" to move it) just feels way to weak to be a solid AoE alternative (if that's what it's supposed to be, idk..). Just some good balancing now and the faith for an awesome game is slowly coming back. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
too much math on chrono's like last page. Gimme a break | ||
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