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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45047 Posts
April 01 2015 16:17 GMT
#61
Awesome write-up Hoping to see some archon mode games cast, as it sounds like it would be inherently more balanced than standard 2v2.
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
April 01 2015 16:24 GMT
#62
what if they added 2v2 archon mode? two sets of 2 people against another 2 sets?
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
April 01 2015 16:25 GMT
#63
If anyone wants to watch, Naniwa and Sortof are queueing archon mode right now
Vogue
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 16:31:22
April 01 2015 16:29 GMT
#64
Archon Mode has been in the game since 2012. It's a custom game called MacroMicro. It actually infuriates me to see all these people pretend like Blizzard has made some kind of huge breakthrough or that it's going to change everything when all they did was jack some other dude's idea and sell + market it as their own. I'm aware that they have the ability to this legally but it still rankles me.

Yes, Blizzard propping up Archon mode will give it more visibility and allow more people to play with it. Yes, Archon mode is fun and will let lower level players enjoy the depth of StarCraft. But if that's been the case since 2011, what could possibly change that didn't before now?
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
April 01 2015 16:32 GMT
#65
Literally the first response when Archon made was announced was to say it was exactly the same as team melee in BW. Not a single person has said this is some great invention by Blizzard. But people will say it is a nice addition.
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 16:34:18
April 01 2015 16:33 GMT
#66
On April 02 2015 01:29 Vogue wrote:
Archon Mode has been in the game since 2012. It's a custom game called MacroMicro. It actually infuriates me to see all these people pretend like Blizzard has made some kind of huge breakthrough or that it's going to change everything when all they did was jack some other dude's idea and sell + market it as their own. I'm aware that they have the ability to this legally but it still rankles me.

Yes, Blizzard propping up Archon mode will give it more visibility and allow more people to play with it. Yes, Archon mode is fun and will let lower level players enjoy the depth of StarCraft. But if that's been the case since 2011, what could possibly change that didn't before now?


99% of the games happen in matchmaking
Archon will have matchmaking
1+1 = ?

Also as said multiples times by multiple people now, Archon mode has been around in BW as well, there's nothing new about it. It's the way they're approaching it.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 01 2015 16:34 GMT
#67
Archon matchmaker is the good beef. Archon ladder will let people test their skill. Custom map isn't the place for that.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 01 2015 16:45 GMT
#68
On April 02 2015 01:29 Vogue wrote:
Archon Mode has been in the game since 2012. It's a custom game called MacroMicro. It actually infuriates me to see all these people pretend like Blizzard has made some kind of huge breakthrough or that it's going to change everything when all they did was jack some other dude's idea and sell + market it as their own. I'm aware that they have the ability to this legally but it still rankles me.

Yes, Blizzard propping up Archon mode will give it more visibility and allow more people to play with it. Yes, Archon mode is fun and will let lower level players enjoy the depth of StarCraft. But if that's been the case since 2011, what could possibly change that didn't before now?


Welcome to a giant strawman, YOUR POST!

Comparing a custom game to an official mode with proper matchmaking is beyond stupid. Custom games dont get played, its that simple. The existence of micro/macro is completely irrelevant, most people dont even know about it. An official mode with a proper ranking system is essential.
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 01 2015 16:48 GMT
#69
I truly hope so. As someone who watches a ton of StarCraft but can never make it past gold on ladder I am really looking forward to simply having fun in Archon Mode with my mate, instead of stressing as I fail to macro and micro like the pros I watch everyday in this truly wonderful eSport.

The game does have a hard skill curve and modes like this help to remedy that so I am really excited for it.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
April 01 2015 16:53 GMT
#70
On April 01 2015 21:26 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 20:52 Kazahk wrote:
On April 01 2015 15:59 GoShox wrote:
On April 01 2015 15:54 opisska wrote:
I still can't quite grasp how this is now introduced as the greatest invention of all times when the same feature was available in BW 15 years ago.


Imagine how much these people would freak out over the introduction of the ability to play with other people via local area networks!

I know people will bitch about this but LAN is honestly outdated. Most people don't even use ethernet cables anymore, the one thing it was good for was tournament settings. Of course it comes with its own down sides but that is the price you pay for convenience. But really bringing computers within feet of each other to transfer information is so 90's.
EDIT: yes wireless lan can still be used but at that point it isn't to different from battle.net


Anyone who takes playing seriously is connected by a cable. There is no practical reason (aside from "I am too lazy to spend half an hour to learn how to configure ethernet network") to use wifi for a desktop computer or even a laptop used at home most of the time (because you should spend most of the time with your laptop at home at a desk with external screen and input devices unless you really love your chiropractic).

edit: why am I even writing this? I got just too distracted by your ignorant remarks about wifi not really relevant for the question of LAN in SC2 (which I honestly think is not that important, at least not for me, because all I want to play is ladder anyway).


Seriously? You see "no practical reason to use wifi for a desktop computer"? Geez wonder how people with big houses and several computers (in different rooms) use the internet...
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 01 2015 17:02 GMT
#71
On April 02 2015 01:53 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 21:26 opisska wrote:
On April 01 2015 20:52 Kazahk wrote:
On April 01 2015 15:59 GoShox wrote:
On April 01 2015 15:54 opisska wrote:
I still can't quite grasp how this is now introduced as the greatest invention of all times when the same feature was available in BW 15 years ago.


Imagine how much these people would freak out over the introduction of the ability to play with other people via local area networks!

I know people will bitch about this but LAN is honestly outdated. Most people don't even use ethernet cables anymore, the one thing it was good for was tournament settings. Of course it comes with its own down sides but that is the price you pay for convenience. But really bringing computers within feet of each other to transfer information is so 90's.
EDIT: yes wireless lan can still be used but at that point it isn't to different from battle.net


Anyone who takes playing seriously is connected by a cable. There is no practical reason (aside from "I am too lazy to spend half an hour to learn how to configure ethernet network") to use wifi for a desktop computer or even a laptop used at home most of the time (because you should spend most of the time with your laptop at home at a desk with external screen and input devices unless you really love your chiropractic).

edit: why am I even writing this? I got just too distracted by your ignorant remarks about wifi not really relevant for the question of LAN in SC2 (which I honestly think is not that important, at least not for me, because all I want to play is ladder anyway).


Seriously? You see "no practical reason to use wifi for a desktop computer"? Geez wonder how people with big houses and several computers (in different rooms) use the internet...


If they have any care about performance and reliability, they connect them using several cables and a router. It really is that simple. You should try to avoid sounding condescending if you lack the corresponding technical knowledge.
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Vogue
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
April 01 2015 17:21 GMT
#72
On April 02 2015 01:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 01:29 Vogue wrote:
Archon Mode has been in the game since 2012. It's a custom game called MacroMicro. It actually infuriates me to see all these people pretend like Blizzard has made some kind of huge breakthrough or that it's going to change everything when all they did was jack some other dude's idea and sell + market it as their own. I'm aware that they have the ability to this legally but it still rankles me.

Yes, Blizzard propping up Archon mode will give it more visibility and allow more people to play with it. Yes, Archon mode is fun and will let lower level players enjoy the depth of StarCraft. But if that's been the case since 2011, what could possibly change that didn't before now?


Welcome to a giant strawman, YOUR POST!

Comparing a custom game to an official mode with proper matchmaking is beyond stupid. Custom games dont get played, its that simple. The existence of micro/macro is completely irrelevant, most people dont even know about it. An official mode with a proper ranking system is essential.


I'm glad to see that you're optimistic about Archon Mode, but it's equally important that everyone else manages their expectations around moving something that has existed all along into a more visible place. I personally don't think that Archon Mode will be anything more than a diversion akin the StarJeweled or StarCraft Master, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9031 Posts
April 01 2015 17:22 GMT
#73
This may be even more fun to watch than 1v1s.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 17:28:05
April 01 2015 17:27 GMT
#74
On April 01 2015 14:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
"when you get into beta"

.....
Don't make me cry

Indeed, looking forward to this the most about LotV!
don't wall off against random
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 17:34:52
April 01 2015 17:33 GMT
#75
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 01 2015 17:42 GMT
#76
Great post TB, makes me want to play Archon mode with my friend even more when we get in the beta! He could probably learn how to macro better and I could multitask better as well!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 01 2015 18:18 GMT
#77
anyone want to play archon mode with me?
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 21:12:09
April 01 2015 21:06 GMT
#78
On April 01 2015 14:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:With the addition of more units, a faster start and more micro, LOTV looks set to push that even further.


More micro, faster pace, quicker initial set up for battle.... sounds like all those ex-C&C devs at Blizzard are having an influence on the game design. its nice to see.


On April 01 2015 14:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:. It might very well be the magic bullet the game is looking for to make it accessible without sacrificing its complexity.
In short, try Archon mode when you get into the beta.


Blizzard is doing a great job breathing new life into the RTS genre. I'm sure LotV will be another great game.

However, the RTS genre will continue its decline no matter what Blizzard does.

When the general public wants the "big army fighting big army" experience they turn on their tablets and play games like Boom Beach, Game of War, and Clash of Clans. Nothing Blizzard can do will stop this trend.

The RTS Genre is in the same stage the dot-eating-maze-game genre was in 1990.. its tough to attract new players when the general public is spending less and less time on your platform of choice.

Archon mode should be fun though!
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RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
April 01 2015 21:19 GMT
#79
Of course we don't all have the luxury to play Archon mode with Crank .
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robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
April 01 2015 21:23 GMT
#80
On April 02 2015 01:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 01:29 Vogue wrote:
Archon Mode has been in the game since 2012. It's a custom game called MacroMicro. It actually infuriates me to see all these people pretend like Blizzard has made some kind of huge breakthrough or that it's going to change everything when all they did was jack some other dude's idea and sell + market it as their own. I'm aware that they have the ability to this legally but it still rankles me.

Yes, Blizzard propping up Archon mode will give it more visibility and allow more people to play with it. Yes, Archon mode is fun and will let lower level players enjoy the depth of StarCraft. But if that's been the case since 2011, what could possibly change that didn't before now?


Welcome to a giant strawman, YOUR POST!

Comparing a custom game to an official mode with proper matchmaking is beyond stupid. Custom games dont get played, its that simple. The existence of micro/macro is completely irrelevant, most people dont even know about it. An official mode with a proper ranking system is essential.


And they had implemented it in bw, if memory serves, so it's not like they stole it from the micro macro guy.
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