EPT2017 Esports General Discussion - Page 37
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Ansibled
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Ansibled
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Numy
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ruypture
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 19 2017 00:30 ruypture wrote: How the actual fuck did IMT not make it into franchising? They've always been middle to top tier and obviously have funding to back their players????? The article says that their massive investment in OWL was a tipping point. They most likely scaling back League operations pretty hard to fund it. That or Riot is petty and booting them for spending so much in OWL and not LCS. | ||
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ruypture
United States367 Posts
On October 19 2017 00:32 Numy wrote: The article says that their massive investment in OWL was a tipping point. They most likely scaling back League operations pretty hard to fund it. That or Riot is petty and booting them for spending so much in OWL and not LCS. I wonder why they would invest so much into OWL? LCS is definitely bigger than OWL and I don't see OWL growing that much from a viewer's perspective. Overwatch is really messy spectator wise imo. I think the esports scene is really saturated and making more leagues is a struggle. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 19 2017 00:32 Numy wrote: The article says that their massive investment in OWL was a tipping point. They most likely scaling back League operations pretty hard to fund it. That or Riot is petty and booting them for spending so much in OWL and not LCS. C9 and Optic are also in OWL, and aren't the other LCS teams all involved in other esports anyway? Other people are talking about it having to do with Los Angeles which is even more confusing. I guess we'll have to see the full announcement. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
I believe the issue was that Immortals was the LA Overwatch team specifically. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
We don't know how much C9 or Optic are investing in OWL compared to IMT. We don't know their plans for LCS either. I could see it as IMT going heavy into OWL especially in LA while the other two aren't doing as much. Then Riot sees this and compares it to what those two bring to LCS along with their plans for LCS and it becomes an excuse of "why should we bother with IMT" rather than "why we need IMT in". Franchising is all about making yourselves indispensable for Riot. Clearly IMT didn't if they aren't in(need official announcement first). It's very hard to feel any sympathy with any of these guys though. They helped force a rat race to happen. If they don't succeed that's all on them. | ||
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Gahlo
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
That seems like a textbook kind of team you want, minus, you know, the actual winning, but surely you didn't think that franchise applications were going to be based off of W/L record. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Are you referring to the Adrian poaching stuff, or not announcing your roster on time? Or they pay less salary to players/staff, or invest less in infastructure? I'm not really informed on NA organizations at all, I'm genuinely interested why (the consensus here seems to be that) EF has/is a bad organization. GI is faster than me. bummer. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
That makes no sense. They are successful, have fan support, a strong brand from being competitive for so long and financial backing. But EF makes the cut? IMT record last four splits: 55-17 FOX record last four splits: 18-54 What pettiness from riot. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Again Franchising has nothing to do with performance what so ever. Why hate on EF for being in and not Optic a team that literally didn't exist in LCS beforehand thus has even worse performance in LCS. Or the new golden warriors team. Again performance did not matter there at all and branding didn't either as they have zero history in esports. It's all about other intangibles people bring and their plans for further development. edit: Franchising as a system is inherently anti-competitive. IMT was one of the teams at the front of pushing for it. Hard to blame Riot for disliking competition when IMT didn't want competition either. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Seems dumb to me; that 20 million OWL investment from IMT just turned into a 40 million dollar investment I imagine. You can have competition with franchising. But you have to foster it. Riot apparently doesn't care, and it's the fans that suffer. Excited for some 60 minute clown fiestas all LCS followed by 18 minute trouncing at world's. | ||
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Poland9298 Posts
On October 19 2017 01:53 iCanada wrote: It seems like the problem wasnt IMTs plan for League their plan for OW. Seems dumb to me; that 20 million OWL investment from IMT just turned into a 40 million dollar investment I imagine. You can have competition with franchising. But you have to foster it. Riot apparently doesn't care, and it's the fans that suffer. Excited for some 60 minute clown fiestas all LCS followed by 18 minute trouncing at world's. More like 18 minute stomps by TSM/CLG/C9 followed by the usual stuff at Worlds. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
sSumday, Flame, and Impact coming to NA vastly improved the talent level of NA top lanes (looking at Hauntzer, in particular). Losing top tier teams will hurt every other team in the league. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 19 2017 01:38 iCanada wrote: Wait... Why would Immortals be declined wtf? That makes no sense. They are successful, have fan support, a strong brand from being competitive for so long and financial backing. But EF makes the cut? IMT record last four splits: 55-17 FOX record last four splits: 18-54 What pettiness from riot. Earlier I tried to be nice and pretend that no one could possibly be so ridiculous as to think that a team's record is relevant in whether or not they get a franchise spot. But your post makes this very awkward. On October 19 2017 01:53 iCanada wrote: It seems like the problem wasnt IMTs plan for League their plan for OW. Seems dumb to me; that 20 million OWL investment from IMT just turned into a 40 million dollar investment I imagine. You can have competition with franchising. But you have to foster it. Riot apparently doesn't care, and it's the fans that suffer. Excited for some 60 minute clown fiestas all LCS followed by 18 minute trouncing at world's. I genuinely struggle to see your point here - you think that NA skill level will drop because there is no longer a team named IMT in it? Because, what, the IMT players just all say, "Ahh shucks let's pack it up and start downloading Overwatch"? On October 19 2017 02:07 iCanada wrote: I mean... will TSM and C9 even be as good with them weakening their opposition pool? sSumday, Flame, and Impact coming to NA vastly improved the talent level of NA top lanes (looking at Hauntzer, in particular). Losing top tier teams will hurt every other team in the league. Maybe you actually really think that all of IMT's players are now banned from ever playing NA LCS again. | ||
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cLutZ
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