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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-15 05:11:20
October 15 2017 05:11 GMT
#701
Did everyone forget how shitty an organization DIG was? Literally their only qualification was that they were there early on. Since then they've changed players and owners, keeping no tie to their roots, while having accomplished nothing, getting relegated and buying their way back in, had no fans, and are basically only known for baron throws.

IMT, TSM, C9, TL, and CLG are guaranteed spots. GSW and Optic are probably in too. That leaves 3 spots. I am very doubtful that P1, EF, or FLY would make it, but EF might because of the Fox connection and how good they are to their players.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
October 15 2017 05:16 GMT
#702
On October 15 2017 14:11 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Did everyone forget how shitty an organization DIG was? Literally their only qualification was that they were there early on. Since then they've changed players and owners, keeping no tie to their roots, while having accomplished nothing, getting relegated and buying their way back in, had no fans, and are basically only known for baron throws.

IMT, TSM, C9, TL, and CLG are guaranteed spots. GSW and Optic are probably in too. That leaves 3 spots. I am very doubtful that P1, EF, or FLY would make it, but EF might because of the Fox connection and how good they are to their players.

You know that current DIG wasn't old DIG, right? Literally an entirely different org that kept the name because of branding.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
October 15 2017 05:22 GMT
#703
I've been personally hoping for EG to come back to league because it feels wrong to have a premier esports league in NA without EG, have there been any rumors on which teams were applying other than Optic as far as endemics?
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 15 2017 05:22 GMT
#704
On October 15 2017 13:27 Gahlo wrote:
If shit orgs like FQ and EF make it in over DIG, I'm not watching NA anymore.

It is not like we have much background info about who manages what how and we have even less about plans they submitted. So idk how we should be able to judge either way.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 15 2017 10:26 GMT
#705
EF most likely will stay in as they've shown willingness to pump money in and follow Riots lead on things. They may be awful at everything they do but as long as money is flowing in that's all franchising wants.

Dig is the old Coast basically. They bought both Coasts slot and Digs brand name but went with Dig since it was more established. I don't know how good this new Dig organisation is but it is surprising they'd be declined after a pretty good year.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 18:11:55
October 15 2017 17:39 GMT
#706
Lets not forget that there was some 'massive implosion' at the end of the split that caused Dig to royally bomb out of playoffs/gauntlet. Who knows if that extended beyond players, but something tells me it did


EDIT: Optimus leaves the Marines, which is a huge blow to the squad. Had really hoped they'd stay together and take on 2018. Best of luck to Optimus wherever he goes
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 23:03:47
October 16 2017 23:03 GMT
#707
Phoenix1 and Envy rumored out of NALCS.

http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/21045074/sources-phoenix1-team-envy-league-championship-series-franchise-applications-denied
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 23:07:52
October 16 2017 23:05 GMT
#708
Called it. With P1/NV/Dig out I'd be stunned if Flyquest stays in, unless the power of Balls/Hai/Turtle/Lemon brand is good enough to save the literal who that is the FQ organization
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 16 2017 23:07 GMT
#709
Envy out is somewhat surprising. They're a solid orga but their team was always shaky in LCS. So perhaps their popularity didn't transition well to League and there are "better" candidates to Riot.

I'll be flabbergasted as well if FQ makes the cut.
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Skitter
Profile Joined August 2015
United States899 Posts
October 16 2017 23:13 GMT
#710
LCS FaZe clan
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2017 23:20 GMT
#711
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 23:42:08
October 16 2017 23:41 GMT
#712
On October 17 2017 08:20 JimmiC wrote:
So do teams buy those slots and everyone is a FA that was on the old orgs or do the winnings bid buy a team and get all their player s and contracts?

Teams that weren't part of the LCS before pay 13m to get in instead of 10m. The extra 3m is pooled together and divied out to the teams that were in the LCS and didn't make the cut. Teams with contract beyond this year have a period of time that they have to sell those contracts to be able to collect form the pool.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 23:44:16
October 16 2017 23:43 GMT
#713
League buy in is 10m if already in. 13 if not, the extra money from new teams is pooled and given to the booted teams at a division based on splits in the league.

For example if only 2 teams were leaving 1 was new summer split and one had been around for 3 splits. They would split the pool 25/75

So far all 3 known relegated teams are 3 split teams
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 00:02:59
October 17 2017 00:02 GMT
#714
It should be noted that 'not in' means not in the league ecosystem, not 'not in LCS'. So an EUnited (Or another challenger Org) for example would have to pay 10 million whereas the Warriors would have to pay 13. I'd be very interested to know how Riot would handle a previous organization, like a Badawi-less Renegades or an EG or even an EU team like Misfits who has NA business ties would be charged but those would be more potential exceptions.

In the ecosystem, 10 mil
Not in the ecosystem, 13mil
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 01:08:04
October 17 2017 01:06 GMT
#715
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 00:18:31
October 18 2017 00:17 GMT
#716
The legacy 4(TSM, CLG, C9, TL) are, in fact, back in the LCS

http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/21054508/team-solomid-cloud9-team-liquid-counter-logic-gaming-rejoin-na-lcs
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9298 Posts
October 18 2017 02:44 GMT
#717
Feels a bit weird that TL is in but DIG is not.
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dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 07:44:58
October 18 2017 07:44 GMT
#718
On October 18 2017 11:44 Sent. wrote:
Feels a bit weird that TL is in but DIG is not.


unfortunately for DIG one brings in a lot of money and fans while the other doesn't :/
and that's basically what's most important to get selected
TL/SKT
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 18 2017 13:41 GMT
#719
On October 18 2017 16:44 dsyxelic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 11:44 Sent. wrote:
Feels a bit weird that TL is in but DIG is not.


unfortunately for DIG one brings in a lot of money and fans while the other doesn't :/
and that's basically what's most important to get selected


There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 14:19:56
October 18 2017 14:18 GMT
#720
On October 18 2017 11:44 Sent. wrote:
Feels a bit weird that TL is in but DIG is not.

I dont see why. TL is a storied team with results across games and a long history. They have finanicial backing, success and history in league. The old dignitas could have claimed the same things but since this new one is merely the Dignitas name on the Coast team it really can't claim that at all. I think a lot of people don't realize that this team isn't the same as the old Dignitas.

TL has shit the bed when it comes to performance but Coast has never performed. They had one season with Apex doing alright and now an alright Dignitas team. If you judging based on that I don't see how they are in a better position than TL.

ps: I must admit I'm kind of happy teams that just cashed in last minute with all this VC money are being booted for other new teams with VC money. Got some karma going lol.
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