EPT2017 Esports General Discussion - Page 39
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iCanada
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GrandInquisitor
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 19 2017 04:33 GrandInquisitor wrote: Watching IMT fans get triggered on Reddit is honestly delightful. Totally worth it for that alone. This is why I'm hoping G2 makes it in. | ||
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Skitter
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On October 19 2017 01:21 GrandInquisitor wrote: I am genuinely confused as to why you hate EF so much. As far as I know, it's a totally fine team. It doesn't do very well, but has a lot of fans, works a lot with them, puts out great content, and the owner is super invested in his players and spent a lot on them compared to other teams (e.g., gaming house, coaching, etc.). That seems like a textbook kind of team you want, minus, you know, the actual winning, but surely you didn't think that franchise applications were going to be based off of W/L record. probably because they have consistently been bad since they joined NA LCS | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
G2 would never make it in, it would be suicide for EULCS and for G2 itself. 1) They'd be able to take at most two of their roster (Zven and Mithy lets be real) 2) They'd never be able to get an NA Mid as good as Perkz, let alone a good enough Top/JG/Mid trio to replace Expect/Trick/Perkz 3)If Zven and Mithy are open to joining NA we'd have to introduce salary caps, as 99% of the teams in the region are better off booting their bot lanes and writing blank checks to get them to their teams. TSM would kick Sven (their only import player) yesterday for a chance at importing Zven and Mithy and G2 can't be worth more than the NA VC machine 4) EU LCS no longer has its most dominant team Unrelated but I love how the IMT/EF article ends with "The status of Flyquest is currently unknown." So the league is TSM, TL, C9, CLG, EF, Optic, GSW + 3 | ||
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Slusher
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On October 19 2017 06:35 Slusher wrote: Well the players have already said this was their last tournament with this roster so your first point is in favor of them in NA Wait what where? Also if anything I'd assume Trick or Expect are retiring before I'd assume they team shifted to NA. In fact because no team knew about their spot in the league until this week I in fact HIGHLY doubt that anything the players say is in favor of them being in NA | ||
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Skitter
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On October 19 2017 06:35 Slusher wrote: Well the players have already said this was their last tournament with this roster so your first point is in favor of them in NA They said it could be. That could mean anything from going to NA, 1 person changing and being in EU still, to G2 pulling out of League. | ||
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Ansibled
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http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0712680449326977654-4 https://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/15280-sources-fly-quest-accepted-into-the-2018-na-lcs All of the news EFX partners with Yankees Cavs have an LCS team FQ made it. | ||
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Gahlo
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chipmonklord17
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Numy
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Gahlo
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http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0712711935354738376-4 | ||
NeoIllusions
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But after taking a step back to reassess why IMT got cut over EF, listening to Travis' vlog, and reading Lunar's musings, I think the overwhelming factor determining if an orga gets franchised is their finances. It should be no surprise that money is a driving force here, all the teams franchised for next year need to be pulling their own weight, more or less. If you can't generate revenue, it just creates added pressure on Riot and the other team owners. So from that perspective, it makes more sense. So in light of FQ making it in, one has to wonder: just how poorly run was IMT's books? Tin foil hat on, I probably do think IMT's decision to back OverWatch in LA was also a huge detriment in Riot's decision to reject them. IMT prob got cut for more than one reason. | ||
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Skitter
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On October 20 2017 03:30 NeoIllusions wrote: Initially I felt rather peeved that IMT got cut over EF because I looked at it through the lense of orga success. How could a team that placed top 3 in NA and just made it to Worlds get cut but a team that's consistently bottom 3 got in? But after taking a step back to reassess why IMT got cut over EF, listening to Travis' vlog, and reading Lunar's musings, I think the overwhelming factor determining if an orga gets franchised is their finances. It should be no surprise that money is a driving force here, all the teams franchised for next year need to be pulling their own weight, more or less. If you can't generate revenue, it just creates added pressure on Riot and the other team owners. So from that perspective, it makes more sense. So in light of FQ making it in, one has to wonder: just how poorly run was IMT's books? Tin foil hat on, I probably do think IMT's decision to back OverWatch in LA was also a huge detriment in Riot's decision to reject them. IMT prob got cut for more than one reason. At the same time, I'm concerned that Riot is putting more emphasis on financials than actual developement of the teams with this. Part of the reason people are against franchising in the first place is they don't want bad orgs getting in and then bottom feeding for the 2.5-4 years before getting the boot. Echo Fox has a history of doing just that either being in relegations of skimming just above it while never getting into playoffs. I'm concerned about EF being back along with groups getting in that have 0 experience actually running a esports or League team. IMT being LA for OWL being a negative to Riot's evaluation should be beyond even thought. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
It's baffling but in the context of big corporate it makes some kind of twisted sense. It's also why they see other esports as competitors. Instead of seeing it as other sports which could muster up interest in the whole field they see it as people stealing away their audience. Crazy stuff, short sighted but again if the goal is just to get as much money right now as possible it makes sense. Long term growth is irrelevant for majority of companies/people. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 20 2017 04:05 Gahlo wrote: At the same time, I'm concerned that Riot is putting more emphasis on financials than actual developement of the teams with this. Part of the reason people are against franchising in the first place is they don't want bad orgs getting in and then bottom feeding for the 2.5-4 years before getting the boot. Echo Fox has a history of doing just that either being in relegations of skimming just above it while never getting into playoffs. I'm concerned about EF being back along with groups getting in that have 0 experience actually running a esports or League team. IMT being LA for OWL being a negative to Riot's evaluation should be beyond even thought. And yet one of these 10 teams will inevitably finish last this year. That doesn't mean franchising them was a mistake. The whole point of a franchise was that you can have bad years and stay in LCS: that if you're a good team that provides well for their players with financial stability, you deserve to stay in, even if you happened to pick the wrong players this year. You seem to think that there will be teams that just say fuck it, join the league, and sit around with their dicks in their hands for 2.5-4 years. It's hard to imagine why that would be the case, though, assuming they aren't allergic to money and success. Everybody's gonna try, but only one will win. That's fine. | ||
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