EPT2017 Esports General Discussion - Page 26
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Poland9299 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 10 2017 21:14 GrandInquisitor wrote: Um, yeah? Suppose I add my mid laner after a game and spam him with those messages - i should be immune to punishment because, what, it happened in a different chat window inside the game? I mean I know EUW players are bad but dang, if that's your go to example of "behavior that shouldn't be punished" ... I have to admit. Out of all the responses I could possibly think of this one didn't even pass my mind. 10/10 made me laugh | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
But here your X was "punishing people who tell people on their friends list 'go kill yourself you fucking nigger'", which is a really weird thing to be defending. Anyway it's all irrelevant - the point was that clutZ made some shit up and got called out for it. The funny thing is that I think I will eventually be wrong - at some point some pro will do something ghastly thing completely outside the game, and then Riot will have a tough choice as to how to deal with it. Kind of like a Donald Sterling or Aaron Hernandez sort of thing - imagine if some LCS pro starts making alt-right videos and sponsoring INFOWARS or whatever. They would be banned from LCS per their contractual agreements, but it'd get real controversial. But to my knowledge it's never happened, because there's always some terrible associated in-game behavior that Riot can rely on. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 11 2017 06:33 GrandInquisitor wrote: It's just funny to me because usually when people say "What's next? X?" X is some like strawmanned hyperbole that no one could possibly argue for. Like when people say "You are pro-choice? What's next? Murdering five-year-olds?" Or "You are pro-weed? What's next? Forcibly injecting everyone with heroin?" But here your X was "punishing people who tell people on their friends list 'go kill yourself you fucking nigger'", which is a really weird thing to be defending. Anyway it's all irrelevant - the point was that clutZ made some shit up and got called out for it. The funny thing is that I think I will eventually be wrong - at some point some pro will do something ghastly thing completely outside the game, and then Riot will have a tough choice as to how to deal with it. Kind of like a Donald Sterling or Aaron Hernandez sort of thing - imagine if some LCS pro starts making alt-right videos and sponsoring INFOWARS or whatever. They would be banned from LCS per their contractual agreements, but it'd get real controversial. But to my knowledge it's never happened, because there's always some terrible associated in-game behavior that Riot can rely on. How is it weird? The point is you aren't even attacking people. You are just talking to some friends and using ridiculous language because it is funny. The same thing they did in that lobby. Also your example of "making alt right videos or sponsoring infowars" cleared up everything. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
imagine if some LCS pro starts making alt-right videos and sponsoring INFOWARS or whatever Lol, that would be legit hilarious. Depressing, but definitely funny too. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On August 07 2017 14:26 GrandInquisitor wrote: le don't call their teammates fags or degenerates to be gunned down in the streets? I challenge you to name me a single person that's ever been banned because of a stream-only violation and hasn't done anything in-game. Destiny for using the N word. Deezer in League due to what he did in StarCraft. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/12vr9e/i_dont_play_lol_so_i_dont_understand_why_destiny/ On August 11 2017 07:07 cLutZ wrote: I didn't get called out, I generated demonstrable examples of behavior on steam that then let to riot to investigate him more closely ingame with greater scrutiny. It happens all the time in law enforcement and is called parallel construction. Which isn't what I asked - your OP said that streamers were unfairly targeted because everyone calls their teammates faggots apparently as often as driving over 55mph on the highway, and it's super unfair that streamers are "singled out" for this when "everyone does it". Which is why I asked if you had any example of a streamer that actually got unfairly singled out, i.e., he didn't flame in chat, but got banned solely because of something he did outside the game. To my knowledge that has never happened (though it might, if the streamer was famous enough and it was something really outrageous). | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On August 14 2017 23:40 Slusher wrote: Deezers lol ban was him continuing to be him, but destiny is a decent example Velocity had picked him up before he was banned. To be honest from what I saw on Scarra's stream back then he didn't really act worse in LoL than Silsol or Azingy. The ban more or less came instantly after it became public knowledge who 1G1D actually was. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
They have to account for photoshop and the like so people never get banned from PMs. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 15 2017 00:24 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah League would never tolerate a known former cheater in their community. They certainly wouldn't make him an LCK caster or anything. Riot doesn't control LCK/Champions casting as a league. Hell it was a big deal both when SpoTv got to cast games and when the Twitch stream moved from OGN to riot. There are at least 10 reasons not to have LS as a Caster before "he cheated in SC." | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On August 15 2017 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote: ironically PMing your mid laner and shouting obscenities at him isn't bannable, apparently they don't have trackers on private messages possibly because it would breach privacy or something. They have to account for photoshop and the like so people never get banned from PMs. In Denmark reading PMs of any kind is strictly illegal, I've worked for a company with a browser based game and the lawyer we contacted told us it was illegal the only time it would be legal was if the person in question could be a danger to themself or others in which case we'd have to pass it to the police and they could do it, granted they got a warrant. The Danish personal data information laws are really strict and I have no idea how it works in other countries. On August 15 2017 00:24 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah League would never tolerate a known former cheater in their community. They certainly wouldn't make him an LCK caster or anything. This was one of the few posts that have actually managed to make me lol irl. :D | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 15 2017 02:19 geript wrote: Riot doesn't control LCK/Champions casting as a league. Hell it was a big deal both when SpoTv got to cast games and when the Twitch stream moved from OGN to riot. There are at least 10 reasons not to have LS as a Caster before "he cheated in SC." This is true. I should have said Worlds caster instead. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On August 15 2017 02:56 Slusher wrote: Deezer was several temp bans deep by the time he joined velocity Oh. I wasn't aware. He was probably chat banned the times I saw him on Scarra or Voy's stream. Such a pity 1G1D turned out to be Deezer, from what I saw on the yoloQ games he looked pretty beastly. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 15 2017 02:19 geript wrote: Riot doesn't control LCK/Champions casting as a league. Hell it was a big deal both when SpoTv got to cast games and when the Twitch stream moved from OGN to riot. There are at least 10 reasons not to have LS as a Caster before "he cheated in SC." The best evidence we have was that Riot was part of the push to get SPOTV into LCK broadcasting. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 15 2017 04:55 Jek wrote: Oh. I wasn't aware. He was probably chat banned the times I saw him on Scarra or Voy's stream. Such a pity 1G1D turned out to be Deezer, from what I saw on the yoloQ games he looked pretty beastly. Iirc this was still the early days of riot so they let him play parallel to the player approval that takes place before the player can even be announced now. It was for this reason he only ever played one game, the review never passed. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
That is to say, if you perform poorly at Worlds, you will get penalized with loss of pool seeds. That in turn makes you more likely to perform poorly at Worlds, because you are up against better teams in group stage. Which means that next year you are more likely to again be penalized with loss of pool seeds. I know they also consider MSI, which isn't subject to the same rules, but Worlds performance is definitely part of it too. | ||
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