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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
July 26 2017 22:55 GMT
#441
Dardoch as Randy Moss? Not a chance. The year after Moss's rookie season, the Green Bay Packers drafted defensive backs with their first, second, and third round picks.

No one cares like that about Dardoch. He's not good enough to justify his diva attitude and I'm stunned Steve would even consider it.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 26 2017 23:11 GMT
#442
I'd argue that someone incapable of working with a team in a team sport isn't skilled at said sport. Comparing him to Akaadian is a bit wrong as Akaadian has shown ability to work in a team. That's the very basic skill you need.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 23:16:28
July 26 2017 23:14 GMT
#443
I brought up Akaadian to say that Dardoch isn't the #1 most valuable non import jungler anymore imo (you could easily argue xmithe )

I wasn't saying they were similar in any other way in fact the contrary
Carrilord has arrived.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9299 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 23:30:41
July 26 2017 23:29 GMT
#444
On July 27 2017 07:55 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Dardoch as Randy Moss? Not a chance. The year after Moss's rookie season, the Green Bay Packers drafted defensive backs with their first, second, and third round picks.

No one cares like that about Dardoch. He's not good enough to justify his diva attitude and I'm stunned Steve would even consider it.


TL management seems to be fine with treating their players like divas as long as they consider them stars. Remember that part from Breaking Point where Piglet was laying on the bed and some coach came to motivate him?

+ Show Spoiler +
(go to 59:30 if the link is broken)



Treating star players like that might not even be a bad idea if they're worth it, but in Dardoch's case it's really dubious.
You're now breathing manually
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 23:43:25
July 26 2017 23:41 GMT
#445
I don't understand why anyone thinks Dardoch is actually good, regardless of attitude issues. I'd rather have Xmithie. Sure, he had a couple of games when he started that were explosive, but this doesn't consistently work for him and it normally causes problems.

Good going by the way CLG.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 01:16:51
July 27 2017 01:14 GMT
#446
Dardoch isn't good enough to throw away chemistry

even when he was playing well, he wasn't playing world class well. You're weren't seeing spring season Lira or S3 Meteos out of him.

now that he's show that he's inconsistent on top of that, he is at best a solid starter, not a star. If he has ZERO problems with being a douchebag, you still wouldn't call his skill something you could build a team around.

mind you, he's probably a straight upgrade over inori, who has been said to have similar team problems and is definately not as skilled.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9299 Posts
July 27 2017 01:24 GMT
#447
Maybe they think he'll a better syngery with Lourlo than Reignover or Inori have
You're now breathing manually
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 27 2017 01:54 GMT
#448
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 14:06:35
July 29 2017 14:05 GMT
#449
That match against IMT really didn't help the Randy Moss analogy, not unless Randy Moss was in the habit of throwing pick-sixes. Dardoch played terribly and was directly responsible for at least one of those losses.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 29 2017 16:42 GMT
#450
I didn't catch the game and tbh TL isn't worth catching the vod. I'll take your word for Dardoch throwing. I could make an argument for Moss looking legit terrible for his weeks on the titans, but I really don't care because it's quite possible that the only reason that Dardoch is playing with a team right now is because he wants to milk as much lcs money as he can while he can. Other than a few games early this split, Dardoch hasn't looked good for the most part. I'm curious if he is just "difficult" or if he has an actual disorder.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
July 30 2017 02:01 GMT
#451
On July 30 2017 01:42 geript wrote:
I didn't catch the game and tbh TL isn't worth catching the vod. I'll take your word for Dardoch throwing. I could make an argument for Moss looking legit terrible for his weeks on the titans, but I really don't care because it's quite possible that the only reason that Dardoch is playing with a team right now is because he wants to milk as much lcs money as he can while he can. Other than a few games early this split, Dardoch hasn't looked good for the most part. I'm curious if he is just "difficult" or if he has an actual disorder.

Maybe 10-15 years ago it'd be a disorder, but at this point it isn't really that abnormal for young men like Dardoch to be so poorly socially adjusted. There's entire subcultures built up around justifying or even glorifying such behavior. Pre-Internet they might have been forced into becoming better people. Nowadays they can just blame it on a SJW conspiracy.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 30 2017 05:31 GMT
#452
L+o-ducking-l. "Sjw conspiracy"
Freeeeeeedom
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 01 2017 23:34 GMT
#453
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20221089/sources-four-european-league-championship-series-teams-apply-join-north-american-league-championship-series

LMFAO
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 00:15:12
August 02 2017 00:07 GMT
#454
I can't wait for the new wave of G2 hate.

'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 02 2017 00:13 GMT
#455
Nothing surpising here. I said the moment that NA LCS franchising was announced that EU teams are gonna get jelly and want the same. Of course they do.
The Reddit reactions are hilarious in their stupidity.
Off-season = best season
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9299 Posts
August 02 2017 00:41 GMT
#456
On August 02 2017 09:07 Ansibled wrote:
I can't wait for the new wave of G2 hate.

https://twitter.com/theScoreesports/status/892536202389327872


G2 hate should drown in Riot hate. Lots of people probably think it's all Riot's fault "because it keeps favoring NA in everything".
You're now breathing manually
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 02 2017 00:56 GMT
#457
Well if there ever was favoritism towards NA it was when it got offered franchising while EU did not. Yet noone complained when the news came. Though I am pretty sure it is more about the different financial structure in NA. There is just way more investor money to support the franchise model. Of course this would leave EU teams behind financially, but that is just the way it is.

On the other hand there is also a lot of criticism for the franchise model. So I dont mind if both things run parallel to each other for the sake of comparison.
Only issue is Riot has not yet made clear what they want to do with EU LCS if not franchise. They should have done that the moment NA LCS franchising was announced. This shows again how disjointed and independently run the 2 LCS are.

So of course EU teams will now make their case and try to improve their conditions in EU LCS going forward and put some pressure on Riot.
Off-season = best season
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
August 02 2017 01:40 GMT
#458
As somebody that spends a lot of time on reddit, there's a decent amount of push back against franchising from NA fans, but it gets kicked up to a whole extra level when it comes to franchising in EU. Make no mistake about it, NA is getting franchising because the teams forcing Riot's hand.

It is clear that the teams in EU want franchising, or at least something that carries similar benefits and security to it. Ocelote said the teams were discussing things with Riot, though obviously the results of that haven't been made public and most likely weren't very productive considering this recent news.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 02 2017 02:12 GMT
#459
The teams will always want franchising, but this is even more important at the moment because its unclear how EU teams will get the TV money from riot outside that model. And they have no hope of competing against teams getting a significant cut of that if they don't get it also+ an instability bonus.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 03:15:19
August 02 2017 03:14 GMT
#460
It's also possible that these applications are part of that negotiation process

I mean it got leaked that they applied instantly
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