EPTOn July 26 2017 11:28 Gahlo wrote:
Over/Under on how many split he'll stay on the same roster this time?
Over/Under on how many split he'll stay on the same roster this time?
I'm pretty sure the O/U is set at 1.
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geript
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I'm pretty sure the O/U is set at 1. | ||
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dsyxelic
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On July 26 2017 14:35 lilwisper wrote: Why is TL going after him if he said what he said on that stream? It rubs me the wrong way that you would take someone that straight up says he doesn't respect your organization. because they probably had a nice talk about it, reasoned out to dardoch his options and what the pros of joining TL were, and dardoch probably knew that he didn't exactly have a great pool of options to choose from. TL gets a great NA jungler who is familiar with your system at best, a toxic guy you will just kick to keep inori or RO at worst. dardoch gets to prove himself as someone who is worth the pick up and either stick with TL or leverage a better offer elsewhere at best. he will be jobless like he was after the clg kick at worst. so both have only to gain, not much to lose. dardoch does not hold anything near the amount of leverage he had his first stint with liquid. of course this is under the assumption RO and/or inori staying. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 26 2017 14:52 TheEmulator wrote: Hey hey hey, don't just blame Steve... Blame the entirety of the LoL staff from TLpro. It takes many minds to be this incompetent  Well I mean TL used to have integrity but after Steve came that seems to have been completely killed. This move is disgusting. | ||
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Gahlo
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- Over the course of the split, we found that Joshua “Dardoch” Hartnett did not align with our focus on teamwork and culture. We therefore brought in Omar “Omargod” Amin as part of a six-man roster in order to show Dardoch what a group of five people invested in teamwork can accomplish. | ||
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cLutZ
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St3MoR
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Although I would like them to give Inori a chance. | ||
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Numy
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Is Dardoch just super cheap or something? Really baffling how teams are still willing to throw money at him otherwise. | ||
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Redox
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On July 26 2017 19:22 Numy wrote: Wish RO would go to CLG though. He's like the perfect player for that team. Pity there's no way CLG has the kind of money TL will demand. I don't really get the point of TL picking up Dardoch. They did a freaking hit piece on the guy and now they bringing him back? Feels like they just scrambling to not be relegated again then going to ditch him as soon as that's done. Of course relegation is what it is all about. And Dardoch simply has no other options, CLG basically kicked him and and I guess with his history of problems only a team as desperate as TL would take him now. | ||
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Numy
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TL have burnt though Adrian, Smoothie, Inori, Reignover in the last 1 and a half. That's just stupid. | ||
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geript
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On July 26 2017 19:23 Redox wrote: Of course relegation is what it is all about. And Dardoch simply has no other options, CLG basically kicked him and and I guess with his history of problems only a team as desperate as TL would take him now. I think there are a number of teams who would want Dardoch. Think how often Randy Moss got bounced around the league. I think there aren't many teams who would want Dardoch *right now* if that makes sense. There is a interesting question of will teams refuse to put up with Dardoch's non-play issues before Dardoch changes to not non-play issues? | ||
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Slusher
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JimmiC
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Gahlo
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geript
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On July 27 2017 02:36 JimmiC wrote: Randy Moss was an undeniable generational Talent. He also lasted SEASONS with multiple franchises. As mentioned Dardoch has not looked heads above anyone. If you are going to be a pain in the ass you better be Faker or its not worth it in a team game. Not bashing the guy. I wish the best for him and TL. But he has to find a way to be a great teammate he has been on most teams at this point and is running out of options. Granted, this is my opinion. If a 0 is wood league and a 10 is faker, talent-wise I think Dardoch is a solid 8. I think there are only three or four other (native) NA players who I'd rate that high; and even some of those I'm not quite sure I don't have them too high. I don't think talent wise it's unreasonable to compare him to doublelift. The major difference between DL and Dardoch is that DL always tryhards; he doesn't get pissed and try to quit. I used the Randy Moss analogy for a reason. Moss used to quit routes if the ball wasn't coming his way. IIRC, after the expansion draft and he was on the raiders, his numbers were good at best. He caused trouble in the locker room and on the field. You wouldn't get his all if he wasn't invested. The kid can play, he just doesn't have someone who can kick his ass when he's being dumb. I think the best fit for him would be TSM, but there's no way they ever bring him in for a tryout right now. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Dardoch's value has always been 75% skill 25% nationally but he isn't even Akaadian in 2017 and by all counts Akaadian is a cool customer. No way I would give him an 8 in 2017 even with nationality value factored in. | ||
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geript
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On July 27 2017 04:18 Slusher wrote: The reasoning is similar but Dardoch is a pleb compared to Moss, Moss was an 11 in his rookie season. Players who were thought to be good were garbage compared to Moss. Go back and watch his mnf debut vs the packers they were literally helpless against him. Dardoch's value has always been 75% skill 25% nationally but he isn't even Akaadian in 2017 and by all counts Akaadian is a cool customer. No way I would give him an 8 in 2017 even with nationality value factored in. As a vikings fan growing up (just to spite my Dad who's a bears fan), I'm very familiar with just how good Randy Moss was. I'm well aware of just how good Moss was when he decided to be. But look at it in comparison. Most NA players are a 4 or 5. Most NFL players are a 7 or 8. I haven't seen enough of Akaadian to have an opinion on him; I haven't had time to watch a lot of NA. I'd be very surprised if Akaadian's ceiling is as high as Dardoch's. That said if I were an owner/GM, I'd value a player like Akaadian far more for a hire than Dardoch. You can do a lot on the NA scene with a consistent 6. A highly inconsistent 8 is worth a whole lot less in Bo3 formats; he might win you some matches but I think he costs more games than he wins because of his issues. | ||
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