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He got so traumatized by the beating mid laners gave him his mind made up a complete fabrication. That's why you don't test the Froggo guys.
He kind of sounds like the opposite of aphromoo too me. Aphro wanted to carry but switched to a supporting role and learnt how to carry through the calls he can make. Instead of just relying on raw skill if Piglet became like this all these years ago I doubt TL would have the same issues now. Like he talks as if he's just moved over to NA but he's really played in NA for basically as long as KR so it reads super weird. If there has been these issues all the time, is he not trying to fix them? Stepping up to the plate?
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On June 07 2017 00:14 Numy wrote:He got so traumatized by the beating mid laners gave him his mind made up a complete fabrication. That's why you don't test the Froggo guys. He kind of sounds like the opposite of aphromoo too me. Aphro wanted to carry but switched to a supporting role and learnt how to carry through the calls he can make. Instead of just relying on raw skill if Piglet became like this all these years ago I doubt TL would have the same issues now. Like he talks as if he's just moved over to NA but he's really played in NA for basically as long as KR so it reads super weird. If there has been these issues all the time, is he not trying to fix them? Stepping up to the plate?
Next up TL can try Piglet support, since he apparently is never leaving the roster until he retires.
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Reads a bit like links donezo manifesto imo. Some good, valid points but also glossing over his own personal faults too easily. Also the timing of that... Its only the first week of lcs done. Didnt think I could get more worried about TL's split
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It's hard to understand Piglet being so critical towards his team and following that with "I think our botlane is perfect".
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Piglet is perfectly demonstrating in that interview why he is a big part of the problem. And he is not even close to getting it, quite the opposite. Clearly the fault of TL coaches / management that they have not dealt with this one way or another.
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GrandInquisitor
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On June 07 2017 00:42 Sent. wrote:
It's hard to understand Piglet being so critical towards his team and following that with "I think our botlane is perfect".
To be fair Piglet is 12/4/4, leads ADCs in damage % and has the lowest death %. Meanwhile TL's midlaners got 1 kill in 4 games and are both bottom 3 in kill participation.
I don't know about perfect, but so far this split he is pretty far down the list of blame.
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On June 07 2017 01:22 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 00:42 Sent. wrote:
It's hard to understand Piglet being so critical towards his team and following that with "I think our botlane is perfect". To be fair Piglet is 12/4/4, leads ADCs in damage % and has the lowest death %. Meanwhile TL's midlaners got 1 kill in 4 games and are both bottom 3 in kill participation. I don't know about perfect, but so far this split he is pretty far down the list of blame.
Haven't watched a TL game this season, but is he playing like a bitch? If so, KDA is unimpressive.
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I agree that Piglet is definitely not the worst player in the team but I think his stats from the match against Echo Fox are misleading. Echo Fox just took everything and TL didn't fight back. Their botlane finished the match with 4 kills and 2 deaths.
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GrandInquisitor
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On June 07 2017 01:27 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 01:22 GrandInquisitor wrote:On June 07 2017 00:42 Sent. wrote:
It's hard to understand Piglet being so critical towards his team and following that with "I think our botlane is perfect". To be fair Piglet is 12/4/4, leads ADCs in damage % and has the lowest death %. Meanwhile TL's midlaners got 1 kill in 4 games and are both bottom 3 in kill participation. I don't know about perfect, but so far this split he is pretty far down the list of blame. Haven't watched a TL game this season, but is he playing like a bitch? If so, KDA is unimpressive.
I don't know what you consider to be "playing like a bitch" - he's not WildTurtling but he also does lead the league in damage % for an ADC, so he can't be that much of a bitch. Part of that is surely that he got to play Juggermaw one game. But if he really were just going purely for KDA he would probably at least be closer to average or the bottom rather than first in damage %.
Besides the more general point still stands. I'm the last person that would say KDA proves who's the best player. But it doesn't matter what your playstyle is, if your mid is averaging 0.25 kills per game while your ADC is averaging 12 times that, like, sure, maybe your ADC isn't 12x better than your mid laner, and he has things he can do better, but he's probably also justified in thinking these losses are not his fault.
That being said I'd never say "perfect", not when you started 0-4. Dang.
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I don't really think of it as a "who gets X amount of blame"
I think both TL and piglet can be good but need a mutual split for a "win win".
Small sample size and all but dardoch/xmithie trade is a potential example of how its not a zero sum game and both can come out for the better. Think piglet fits a different team better and TL needs a different type of player than piglet. I actually hoped the h2k piglet rumor was true a while ago since I think they are one of the teams that could have used him well.
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Really good interview but, and maybe I'm going insane, weren't Piglet's mid stats some of the worst in the league? How was he going off about how good he was mid, or am I just wrong?
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piglet just isn't a leader and has never been.
TL has never really had a leader since IWD left, and even he wasn't the someone who could lead/shotcall at the top of NA.
If Piglet really wants to win, he needs to step up and be a leader. Something like doublelift transformed into.
Is it okay what he's doing now? sure. He can be a mechanical cog in the machine. But he can't expect to be anything more if he himself doesnt' want to lead.
It reads like blame and nothing else. I feel zero sympathy.
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I don't fully tust this interview. It seems like a lot was added or modified by the translator.
On June 07 2017 02:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Really good interview but, and maybe I'm going insane, weren't Piglet's mid stats some of the worst in the league? How was he going off about how good he was mid, or am I just wrong?
Probably meant scrims.
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On June 07 2017 02:11 Kaneh wrote:
piglet just isn't a leader and has never been.
TL has never really had a leader since IWD left, and even he wasn't the someone who could lead/shotcall at the top of NA.
If Piglet really wants to win, he needs to step up and be a leader. Something like doublelift transformed into.
Is it okay what he's doing now? sure. He can be a mechanical cog in the machine. But he can't expect to be anything more if he himself doesnt' want to lead.
It reads like blame and nothing else. I feel zero sympathy.
When I read it, things don't add up to me. If he was this frustrated, it would have been brought up a long time ago in team meetings. How would an org just blow over their "star player"? If he felt like comms were a mess, why wouldn't he bring it up and say we need to be more clear? He is the "star player", so it's not like he would be ignored.
He doesn't seem like the type that can just simmer and seethe when he is frustrated, but if he is, it's his fault for not stepping up. Like you said, he needs to lead and not just be a "star player" As of now, he's the senior player, heck he's been the senior player for a while. If he was so frustrated, he should have stepped up and said something or at the very worst, pull rank somewhat. I don't mean it like a hostile takeover but more like "hey do it this way and let the results speak".
I know it was a joke question but if Vayne is the champ he is known for, why wouldn't TL build around it? You don't want to play comps that revolve around your best player's best champ? Seems off. I am sure Echo Fox has at least 3-4 comps around Froggen's Anivia, even when Anivia wasn't even an after thought on people's minds. If TL was scrapping the barrel for wins, wouldn't that be a first choice in what to do to change things around?
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On June 07 2017 01:50 dsyxelic wrote:
I don't really think of it as a "who gets X amount of blame"
I think both TL and piglet can be good but need a mutual split for a "win win".
Small sample size and all but dardoch/xmithie trade is a potential example of how its not a zero sum game and both can come out for the better. Think piglet fits a different team better and TL needs a different type of player than piglet. I actually hoped the h2k piglet rumor was true a while ago since I think they are one of the teams that could have used him well.
I think Immortals got a way better deal though, CLG with Xmithie would look a lot better if Zion/Aphro were playing in their current form.
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On June 07 2017 03:57 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 01:50 dsyxelic wrote:
I don't really think of it as a "who gets X amount of blame"
I think both TL and piglet can be good but need a mutual split for a "win win".
Small sample size and all but dardoch/xmithie trade is a potential example of how its not a zero sum game and both can come out for the better. Think piglet fits a different team better and TL needs a different type of player than piglet. I actually hoped the h2k piglet rumor was true a while ago since I think they are one of the teams that could have used him well. I think Immortals got a way better deal though, CLG with Xmithie would look a lot better if Zion/Aphro were playing in their current form.
It's possible they needed a change to hit their current form though.
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TL buys Reignover for a million dollars and claim that he will be the "shotcaller" that TL need. Turns out Reignover can't shotcall? Or can he, and nobody on TL listens?
If he can't then well you just spent a million dollars on a player that doesn't fulfill the role you were looking for. If he can and nobody listens, well then TL are fucked from the bottom up.
Just look at TSM's quest for the perfect shot caller. Guess what, they're really fucking rare, and sometimes people need to stop bitching and step up to the plate (see Hauntzer last split).
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pretty much the same. lends credence to the whole, noone is available so we can't actually improve anything.
He's can't outright say "we have no shotcaller/leader, and there are none available" but he sure came close to saying it a couple times.
i dunno. I'll just cheer and hope that they can win a few games. Maybe someone will tell piglet that if he wants to win he needs to actually act like a veteran player and start leading.
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Yup, Which means the RO pickup in hindsight, was either a mistake or needed to be accompanied with a different mid laner.
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