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Patch 6.12: Live on June 15th, 2016
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finally bilgewater is cheaper
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About Jax vs Kayle, I was obviously talking about the pre-6 phase. Afterwards it stops being fun for a lot of champions against Jax or Irelia.
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On June 15 2016 03:48 Slayer91 wrote:
afk farm when your own farming skill pushes the wave
ok chief
But isn't this perfectly fine? Clear wave, go chill until next. Rinse repeat until you can slaughter everyone.
JimmiC wrote:
There is higher levels of play in AMRAM? learn something new every day!
ARAM got it's own MMR. In your first ARAM the initial MMR is based on your normal MMR and then it converge towards your "true" ARAM MMR. I have about 1600 ARAM games with ~60% win ratio, my queue when playing solo is usually 7-10 minutes (shameless ninja-brag).
It sort of sucks, around 50% of the players are using ARAM accounts, as in they only got the S-tier ARAM champions on it.
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Didn't snowball make a lot more champions viable in aram? Healers and poke are still great but some melee champs can wreck with snowball.
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On June 15 2016 04:22 JonnyLaw wrote:
Didn't snowball make a lot more champions viable in aram? Healers and poke are still great but some melee champs can wreck with snowball.
basically yes
sceptical of snowball nerfed and all other summs (but esp flash) buffed decisions
might screw up more than it fixes but maybe the gold/xp changes make up for it
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On June 15 2016 04:12 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 03:48 Slayer91 wrote:
afk farm when your own farming skill pushes the wave
ok chief But isn't this perfectly fine? Clear wave, go chill until next. Rinse repeat until you can slaughter everyone. Show nested quote +JimmiC wrote:
There is higher levels of play in AMRAM? learn something new every day! ARAM got it's own MMR. In your first ARAM the initial MMR is based on your normal MMR and then it converge towards your "true" ARAM MMR. I have about 1600 ARAM games with ~60% win ratio, my queue when playing solo is usually 7-10 minutes (shameless ninja-brag). It sort of sucks, around 50% of the players are using ARAM accounts, as in they only got the S-tier ARAM champions on it.
thats assuming you're allowed to clear the wave with impunity
and assuming kayle is a lategame monster when it's more like she's a short ranged champ with high dps and a single target kindred ult which can be good but is weak against like long range poke and hard engage tanks
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On June 15 2016 04:12 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +JimmiC wrote:
There is higher levels of play in AMRAM? learn something new every day! ARAM got it's own MMR. In your first ARAM the initial MMR is based on your normal MMR and then it converge towards your "true" ARAM MMR. I have about 1600 ARAM games with ~60% win ratio, my queue when playing solo is usually 7-10 minutes (shameless ninja-brag). It sort of sucks, around 50% of the players are using ARAM accounts, as in they only got the S-tier ARAM champions on it.
It's always such a shock when I play with my friends on their low-ARAM-MMR accounts. Instead of teammates that start Relic Shield and rush Locket, you get a Braum building Wit's End -> Banshee's -> Black Cleaver (I wish I was joking).
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what the hell is snowball and what does it do?
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You shoot out a snowball as a skillshot, and when it hits someone it does true damage (only a small amount, like 30 or some shit). Then you can reactive that summoner spell and dash towards the champion hit (I forget if it also works on minions)
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On the Kayle question, she's actually one of the champions I started trying more because Fizz is banned so much lately, but I eventually gave up on her, not because it wasn't strong, but because it didn't come online early enough for those games where my bot lane got butt blasted.
as far as these patch notes go, I'd have traded the qss "nerf" on ult for not getting these nerfs any day(although I don't think they are that related one just brought attention to the other). the REAL problem with tank Fizz was on him Furvor was op, his base damage like I've said before is pretty bad as it's taken several hits anymore, the reason why they hit the dot is because q and w are already 10 at rank 1so it was literally the only thing to hit.
I think keystones turned out to be pretty cool, but this goes back to the problem with original skirmisher there are a couple champs who make Furvor look ridiculous. In this case because Furvor sucks a fat dong on the ap build it's almost like the ww nerf before the skirmisher nerf instantaneously. I think Assassin Fizz was pretty strong on this patch so I shouldn't qq too much, but I DO think Furvor caused him to take a base damage hit which is pretty much already his worst quality.
hitbox change looks big on paper I wonder how many head scratching moments thats going to give me in the upcoming days. But earlier on the pbe the took away his ability to ignore minion collision so I'm just glad we got that back.
I also loathe the double edged sword change, the inherent strength of being ranged isn't penalized enough in this game as is.
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On June 15 2016 04:51 Slayer91 wrote:
what the hell is snowball and what does it do?
0 dmg lee sin q with super slow missile speed, think old Anivia E
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the snowdown snowball was stronger iirc, killing ppl with it was hilarious
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it might do a really small amount I'm not sure it's not lee sin q that was more the message
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On June 15 2016 05:15 Slusher wrote:
it might do a really small amount I'm not sure it's not lee sin q that was more the message
It deals 20+10 per level true damage iirc. 
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On June 15 2016 04:38 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 04:12 Jek wrote:On June 15 2016 03:48 Slayer91 wrote:
afk farm when your own farming skill pushes the wave
ok chief But isn't this perfectly fine? Clear wave, go chill until next. Rinse repeat until you can slaughter everyone. JimmiC wrote:
There is higher levels of play in AMRAM? learn something new every day! ARAM got it's own MMR. In your first ARAM the initial MMR is based on your normal MMR and then it converge towards your "true" ARAM MMR. I have about 1600 ARAM games with ~60% win ratio, my queue when playing solo is usually 7-10 minutes (shameless ninja-brag). It sort of sucks, around 50% of the players are using ARAM accounts, as in they only got the S-tier ARAM champions on it. thats assuming you're allowed to clear the wave with impunity and assuming kayle is a lategame monster when it's more like she's a short ranged champ with high dps and a single target kindred ult which can be good but is weak against like long range poke and hard engage tanks
I have played this matchup a thousand times - and Jax just shits all over Kayle imo. Jax is all about trading, and if Jax can proc his Ult passive, its pretty much over. You don't even need to use your E, until she Ults herself - and then you pretty much nullify her 'free damage' period and then by the time stun duration ends - her ult does too, GG no RE
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On June 15 2016 04:51 Slayer91 wrote:
what the hell is snowball and what does it do?
Its Lee Q on a summoner without the execute. Does no damage, like 5+3 per level or something silly small like that.
On June 15 2016 05:00 Slusher wrote:
On the Kayle question, she's actually one of the champions I started trying more because Fizz is banned so much lately, but I eventually gave up on her, not because it wasn't strong, but because it didn't come online early enough for those games where my bot lane got butt blasted.
as far as these patch notes go, I'd have traded the qss "nerf" on ult for not getting these nerfs any day(although I don't think they are that related one just brought attention to the other). the REAL problem with tank Fizz was on him Furvor was op, his base damage like I've said before is pretty bad as it's taken several hits anymore, the reason why they hit the dot is because q and w are already 10 at rank 1so it was literally the only thing to hit.
I think keystones turned out to be pretty cool, but this goes back to the problem with original skirmisher there are a couple champs who make Furvor look ridiculous. In this case because Furvor sucks a fat dong on the ap build it's almost like the ww nerf before the skirmisher nerf instantaneously. I think Assassin Fizz was pretty strong on this patch so I shouldn't qq too much, but I DO think Furvor caused him to take a base damage hit which is pretty much already his worst quality.
hitbox change looks big on paper I wonder how many head scratching moments thats going to give me in the upcoming days. But earlier on the pbe the took away his ability to ignore minion collision so I'm just glad we got that back.
I also loathe the double edged sword change, the inherent strength of being ranged isn't penalized enough in this game as is.
I mean, part of it is fervor, but a much larger part is just the % HP damage on W. I dunno, an AP assassin don't need that shit, all it does is make champs hit like a truck without damage items. Fervor isn't even that broken on Fizz, compared to how broken it is on like olaf.
I dunno why they keep putting it on champions, then being surprised when people build them tanky and kill everything. There must be a huge disconnect between the Champ design and champ balance sections of Riot, because Imo that shit is dumb.
"we didn't expect him to pop kids without offensive items." well then why did you make him do lots of damage without items? like wtf do they expect?
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Good to see some familiar faces around here (my memorial thread is still up!). <3 Neo + TL
I've all but stopped playing/following the scene, but I wanted to stop by and say hello. Hope you're all doing well .
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The Spartan god himself! <3
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