On January 08 2016 01:35 Alaric wrote: So basically y'all are saying that Riven players are experiencing what Pantheon players experienced starting somewhere in s3, minus the ability to actually turn things once you get farmed lategame thanks to her bullshit design?
I wonder when's the last time I've seen a Pantheon, actually... Scarra played it mid once a few days ago, but even in the jungle it's months since the last one in my games that wasn't me playing it.
Almost every second game of mine I see Pantheon in jungle and I have to say, he's not in a bad spot to be honest.
If this is their hype video for EU. The NA hype video should just be videos of NA players tossing money around. Then the LPL hype video should be Chinese and Korean players swimming in money, and driving Lambo's. Then for LCK, show a sweatshop.
On January 08 2016 03:50 Ansibled wrote: Reading the Reddit reaction to this video, it would seem that Riot knows their audience very well.
Riot proves once more they know how to do their shit better than Ansibled, it seems...
It's a hype video, designed to get fans into LCS again. Fans care most about the fact that Yellowstar, Froggen, Huni, and Reignover left. Of course it's gonna focus on them.
On January 08 2016 03:50 Ansibled wrote: Reading the Reddit reaction to this video, it would seem that Riot knows their audience very well.
Riot proves once more they know how to do their shit better than Ansibled, it seems...
It's a hype video, designed to get fans into LCS again. Fans care most about the fact that Yellowstar, Froggen, Huni, and Reignover left. Of course it's gonna focus on them.
Are you saying it's impossible to create hype without lying to your audience? I never said Riot were bad at what they did, I just find it surprising how much bullshit they go through.
For example Fnatic was probably a top 4 team in the World last year which is a great achievement, but that's not enough. They have to say 2 of the top 4 teams in the World last year were European.
On January 08 2016 00:06 Alaric wrote: What makes it so hard for Riven to trade with Poppy? Sure Poppy's W will negate one Q or the E, but it has a longer cooldown than both, and Riven's got too many dashes that Poppy's W will prevent her from dashing outside Poppy's Q "explosion." It is just the cd on her passive that makes Poppy force a trade whenever it's up?
When you manage poppy's passive properly, you can pretty much deny 2-3 CS with it per wave, unless someone is willing to take a trade where they have to deal an extra 15% of your max hp to go even. Poppy's second Q hit is a 1 second delay so if i use it on you, and you do anything but walk out of the range you are probably going to get hit as long as i don't aim it poorly. with thunderlords that's only 1 auto needed to pop that and deal the Q damage. At level 1 her Q does 45+6% HP damage per hit, which means vs riven it's about 80-85 per hit an auto plus that and thunderlords is dealing between 150-240 damage during which you have to deal 240-330 damage to break even with poppy because of the passive shield. All that takes 1 second for poppy, often return damage is going to take longer since poppy is going to just be walking away through minions if you chase. Even rapidly using all 3 Q's of riven takes longer than that, and the third one will never hit poppy because of W. which means no knock up. When W is on cooldown poppy can threaten a wall stun, which controls where riven can stand and even last hit with the passive.
Even just using the heroic charge into the lane without a stun, followed by Q and then auto can trade well, as riven would need to chase you down with a dash to deal with it, and at any point in time you can cut off the chase with a W.
Renekton can struggle in a similar way vs poppy, but not nearly as bad, because renektons Q outranges poppy's, so he can at least dance around, or hope Poppy has poor reaction speed. When i poppy top i see people rush to pick Vlad, Renekton and Riven into it, and it baffles me because those are three great matchups for poppy. Just pick Rumble or Fiora and enjoy the lane.
On January 08 2016 00:06 Alaric wrote: What makes it so hard for Riven to trade with Poppy? Sure Poppy's W will negate one Q or the E, but it has a longer cooldown than both, and Riven's got too many dashes that Poppy's W will prevent her from dashing outside Poppy's Q "explosion." It is just the cd on her passive that makes Poppy force a trade whenever it's up?
When you manage poppy's passive properly, you can pretty much deny 2-3 CS with it per wave, unless someone is willing to take a trade where they have to deal an extra 15% of your max hp to go even. Poppy's second Q hit is a 1 second delay so if i use it on you, and you do anything but walk out of the range you are probably going to get hit as long as i don't aim it poorly. with thunderlords that's only 1 auto needed to pop that and deal the Q damage. At level 1 her Q does 45+6% HP damage per hit, which means vs riven it's about 80-85 per hit an auto plus that and thunderlords is dealing between 150-240 damage during which you have to deal 240-330 damage to break even with poppy because of the passive shield. All that takes 1 second for poppy, often return damage is going to take longer since poppy is going to just be walking away through minions if you chase. Even rapidly using all 3 Q's of riven takes longer than that, and the third one will never hit poppy because of W. which means no knock up. When W is on cooldown poppy can threaten a wall stun, which controls where riven can stand and even last hit with the passive.
Even just using the heroic charge into the lane without a stun, followed by Q and then auto can trade well, as riven would need to chase you down with a dash to deal with it, and at any point in time you can cut off the chase with a W.
Renekton can struggle in a similar way vs poppy, but not nearly as bad, because renektons Q outranges poppy's, so he can at least dance around, or hope Poppy has poor reaction speed. When i poppy top i see people rush to pick Vlad, Renekton and Riven into it, and it baffles me because those are three great matchups for poppy. Just pick Rumble or Fiora and enjoy the lane.
from what i've seen, heard, and played, lulu top absolutely takes a steaming dump on him
from what i've seen, heard, and played, lulu top absolutely takes a steaming dump on him
on poppy? Lulu is annoying because you have to play around polymorph. but your Teleports and gank assist are better by a good margin. I don't think i've ever dominated a lulu in lane like a lot of other champs, but i've farmed it out and won bot lane instead a couple times. I'd rather play that matchup (or the liss one, which goes the same way) than play vs rumble or Fiora though. Straight stalemate lanes, where neither player can kill the other are boring (lulu/poppy Liss/Poppy), but its better than just cowering and praying like rumble/fiora.. Darius is the annoying matchup it is for a ton of top laners, where if you screw up its over. but otherwise isn't as bad as you'd think.
from what i've seen, heard, and played, lulu top absolutely takes a steaming dump on him
on poppy? Lulu is annoying because you have to play around polymorph. but your Teleports and gank assist are better by a good margin. I don't think i've ever dominated a lulu in lane like a lot of other champs, but i've farmed it out and won bot lane instead a couple times. I'd rather play that matchup (or the liss one, which goes the same way) than play vs rumble or Fiora though. Straight stalemate lanes, where neither player can kill the other are boring (lulu/poppy Liss/Poppy), but its better than just cowering and praying like rumble/fiora.. Darius is the annoying matchup it is for a ton of top laners, where if you screw up its over. but otherwise isn't as bad as you'd think.
i usually just make sure I have a ward or two on me and a pink every back while I perma push top+harass. poppy can never do anything 1v1. don't even have to polymorph, can just whimsy away and kite.
its a bit annoying if jg constantly comes to clear the pink ward but otherwise if played properly poppy cannot do anything and wont be allowed to TP (if he does he absolutely is at least giving up a tower)
lulu/poppy cannot easily kill each other, but one has the option of harassing nonstop
ive felt the same you did for riven/renek tho. also why is vlad bad vs poppy? I can't imagine that being hard as the vlad. just W the heroic charge if needed, and scale up to be a monster. cant see many situations where poppy is able to do anything vs him.
lul seems like a "lose less" pick rather than a "win more" pick unless you've got a carry that you really want to protect and the enemy team has an assassin
i usually just make sure I have a ward or two on me and a pink every back while I perma push top+harass. poppy can never do anything 1v1. don't even have to polymorph, can just whimsy away and kite.
its a bit annoying if jg constantly comes to clear the pink ward but otherwise if played properly poppy cannot do anything and wont be allowed to TP (if he does he absolutely is at least giving up a tower)
lulu/poppy cannot easily kill each other, but one has the option of harassing nonstop
ive felt the same you did for riven/renek tho. also why is vlad bad vs poppy? I can't imagine that being hard as the vlad. just W the heroic charge if needed, and scale up to be a monster. cant see many situations where poppy is able to do anything vs him.
Poppy is really strong lvl 1 and 2 which helps a lot. But mostly because Vlad doesn't heal much until 7, so you can keep his hp down with your passive alone, and he can't fight for the shield, because vlad doesn't want to get in close. Vlad Doesn't run Movespeed quints, and poppy does for matchups vs ranged champs. If you heroic charge vlad and he pools, he did the damage you were going to do, to himself, and your charge has half the cooldown, so you get to punish it next passive timer. Vlad likes to farm it out and take things late, but poppy applies pressure every 10-15 seconds, which makes vlad uncomfortable. during an all in, poppys ult is often enough to force a pool/flash so vlad doesn't get the full combo of Ult -> Q on landing -> autos until Q is about to be up then a heroic charge -> Q again.
Poppy is very sticky and has multiple ways to halt vlads retreat.
On January 08 2016 05:29 ticklishmusic wrote: lul seems like a "lose less" pick rather than a "win more" pick unless you've got a carry that you really want to protect and the enemy team has an assassin
Lulu can completely dick some match-ups. That'd be like picking Pantheon against certain match-ups in s2 less because you expect to carry your team and more because you'd trash the other guy so badly and zone him so you'd get a 5v4 for free unless the junglers made it a 2v1 against you. You [Lulu] don't need to be 10-0 if the other guy has almost no farm, you can support your jungler decently and help dives (esp. when roaming bot) and then protect whoever's ahead on your team to avoid the others making it a 4v4.
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