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Harem
United States11393 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Some of them are so overdone I wonder if I'd bear them for an entire game (Ziggs again). Some are too typecast and lack nuances (Twitch, Veigar, Jinx, etc.). Ironically, Gragas' overdoes things a lot less than a big bunch of characters, despite being the completely drunk dude. Eh. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 07 2016 04:51 Gahlo wrote: The biggest problem with Riven right now is that Brutalizer doesn't exist, and it solved a lot of her issues before. Riven really sucks vs top poppy right? been using her as my go-to top laner, and i think i've only lost lane ones vs riven, and that was against an extremely creative zac jungle that camped me to all hell. it might get more even near top of diamond/master+ but low diamond seems to be a serious struggle for riven. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
I am very surprised that talon still isn't the most played mid lol. Yea his lane is meh but if you can get to 2 items he just goes full on disgusting. I guess he just isn't faceroll enough like ahri or w/e to be played that much. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
Of course this is from a top laner's perspective, dunno about adc. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On January 07 2016 21:08 PrinceXizor wrote: Riven really sucks vs top poppy right? been using her as my go-to top laner, and i think i've only lost lane ones vs riven, and that was against an extremely creative zac jungle that camped me to all hell. it might get more even near top of diamond/master+ but low diamond seems to be a serious struggle for riven. Rvien sucks right now against anybody that can build armor. Just rush Tabi/Sunfire and she can't win any lanes. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 07 2016 22:19 Gahlo wrote: Rvien sucks right now against anybody that can build armor. Just rush Tabi/Sunfire and she can't win any lanes. I've just been killing riven at lvl 2 or 3 then going back getting glacial shard and then after that point it's not even close I don't think i've ever bought ninja tabi except vs graves or quinn top. I think the ability to completely ignore rivens third Q and the fact that riven can't outrade poppy early makes the lane tough, regardless of what poppy buys. | ||
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kongoline
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On January 07 2016 22:49 PrinceXizor wrote: I've just been killing riven at lvl 2 or 3 then going back getting glacial shard and then after that point it's not even close I don't think i've ever bought ninja tabi except vs graves or quinn top. I think the ability to completely ignore rivens third Q and the fact that riven can't outrade poppy early makes the lane tough, regardless of what poppy buys. Riven gets a lot of damage out of her passive, which is reduced by Tabi. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 07 2016 23:05 Gahlo wrote: Riven gets a lot of damage out of her passive, which is reduced by Tabi. yeah i know. But i feel like poppys trade and all in methods tend to mitigate that anyway. since Q auto -> either second hit of Q or a 2nd auto as they run away. is pretty difficult to trade back into when you have a 15% max hp shield they have to bust through. Poppy seems to have issues with the champs that deal damage while retreating or who are able to turnaround small bursts, like darius/fiora/rumble. On January 07 2016 22:58 kongoline wrote: pretty sure if u kill anyone at lvl2 u will shit on them no matter what champion they are playing lol I mean yeah. but riven can't even fight poppy. even without that kill advantage i was wondering for a perspective from the riven side, since i don't play her. It's seemed brutally unfair every time i played the matchup. About as unfair as it is to play poppy into rumble, you just get destroyed unless you sit and wait like a caged animal. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On January 07 2016 23:11 PrinceXizor wrote: yeah i know. But i feel like poppys trade and all in methods tend to mitigate that anyway. since Q auto -> either second hit of Q or a 2nd auto as they run away. is pretty difficult to trade back into when you have a 15% max hp shield they have to bust through. Poppy seems to have issues with the champs that deal damage while retreating or who are able to turnaround small bursts, like darius/fiora/rumble. I mean yeah. but riven can't even fight poppy. even without that kill advantage i was wondering for a perspective from the riven side, since i don't play her. It's seemed brutally unfair every time i played the matchup. About as unfair as it is to play poppy into rumble, you just get destroyed unless you sit and wait like a caged animal. Riven can't lane against a Poppy unless the Poppy doesn't know how to play Poppy. Riven can't really top lane right now in general unless you have near perfect control. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I mean if you're a Riven god sure you can win because you know the mechanics, tactics and matchup, but if you play other champs half decently you'll likely have an easier time winning. Riven is fun as heck to play, but it's not going to be the pick that wins you games and such the most. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 I wonder when's the last time I've seen a Pantheon, actually... Scarra played it mid once a few days ago, but even in the jungle it's months since the last one in my games that wasn't me playing it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On January 08 2016 00:06 Alaric wrote: What makes it so hard for Riven to trade with Poppy? Sure Poppy's W will negate one Q or the E, but it has a longer cooldown than both, and Riven's got too many dashes that Poppy's W will prevent her from dashing outside Poppy's Q "explosion." It is just the cd on her passive that makes Poppy force a trade whenever it's up? Because in the current meta, if you ever lose a trade as Riven you probably can't win your lane anymore without jungle intervention. Her damage can't keep up with opposing laners durability unless ahead. She can't fall back on building durability, because then she won't have any damage. She requires superb play while being one of the hardest champions to play properly without the massive benefit of doing so that champions like Azir have. They just need to reactivate the Edge rework on the PBE and push it live at this point. Pantheon is at least good in the jungle. Riven really isn't good anywhere unless you force her mid. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On January 08 2016 01:53 ticklishmusic wrote: I remember someone awhile ago recommended an alternative playstyle as a CC bot by building full tank + CDR. Maybe a 12/18/0 or 0/18/12 page. I didn't think it was great b/c Riven has kinda cruddy base defense stats, but maybe it works better than I thought. It's a bit more stable, yeah, but ends up not being much better overall. | ||
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