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United States37500 Posts
On September 14 2015 11:19 Caiada wrote:
Most common build for Renek still doesn't pick up Titanic l0l
Builds are really not that complicated. I don't think there's any more obvious buy in the game than Titanic on Renekton.
Azir? Something that either outpressures him or kills him early. There's a lot of options.
That's because all the Renek one trick ponies (Romanium, Neryth, etc) build full AD and just pressure the hell out of their lane. For them, BT is their form of survivability and they rely on their ability to outplay.
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I find Azir hard to put pressure on early ( if you really think that's a legit strategy). For us plebs, the goal is to trick him into trying an aggressive play, which they typically fail, or to teamfight against him knowing he will have bad soldier management.
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I tried to bring up this topic in the other strategy gd thread but I just think Titanic is a bad item.
I just feel like it doesn't cover any territory that Sunfire and Ravenous don't cover better for their particular roles (tank vs. offence)
On September 14 2015 12:48 cLutZ wrote:
I find Azir hard to put pressure on early ( if you really think that's a legit strategy). For us plebs, the goal is to trick him into trying an aggressive play, which they typically fail, or to teamfight against him knowing he will have bad soldier management.
in the pros he generally got beat up by poke, he was big part of why Varus became meta, after tear Varus can out sustain him and poke him out of lane and generally build a pretty good cs advantage.
other strats have revolved around pushing him in 24/7 and chipping his tower since he has pretty awful gank support at early levels, mainly with Viktor, and then roaming after he loses his tower. I agree it's kinda hard to pressure him early, he is pretty weak levels 1 and 2 but he has good escape if he can get to 3 and if you all in and fail, it's just really risky (and most good Azir will run something defensive for their 2nd summoner if you play something that can all in him, like barrier or exhaust so it's hard to come up with that kinda damage level 2)
if you have counterpick my advice is to go Varus I think it's the most foolproof strat if your team comp can handle an ad mid. I think Viktor is easily as good but has a higher execution bar both in not getting killed for pushing and getting good roams off when it becomes available.
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On September 14 2015 11:19 Caiada wrote:
Most common build for Renek still doesn't pick up Titanic l0l
Builds are really not that complicated. I don't think there's any more obvious buy in the game than Titanic on Renekton.
Azir? Something that either outpressures him or kills him early. There's a lot of options.
I don't get it, why do you think titanic is such a good item on renekton? lol
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probably because he gets 2/4/8 damage per auto from ult and 20/40/80 on the active from ult, I mean I don't agree that it's good but that has to be the reasoning.
for instance he gets 20 damage extra on Q alone by going ravenous instead because all of his AD ratios (not just Q) are 80% or more. I think the problem with Titanic is it just doesn't do anything unique, anything you could want from it you can get from other items that are just all around better. Basically, Ravenous, Sunfire and BC would need to not exist for this to be an item you would consider on any hero in any situation.
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does titanic have the active on it like hydra?
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Passive
UNIQUE – CLEAVE: On-hit you deal 5 (+1% of your maximum health) bonus physical damage to your target and 40 (+2.5% of your maximum health) physical damage to all enemies in a cone behind them. (385 range).
Active
UNIQUE – CRESCENT: On your next attack, Cleave's damage to all targets is increased to 40 (+10% of your maximum health) and the area of effect is larger. Activating Crescent resets your attack timer. 20 second cooldown.
would be cool if there was a way to tag items/hero abilities like how hearthstone forums work.
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On September 14 2015 11:40 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 10:47 Sufficiency wrote:
I actually think CDR boots are better for top lane Vlad.
Scaling CDR blues are cute and all, keep in mind you won't be able to hit 40% CDR until you are level 18. Sometimes you just want power NOW, and CDR boots (subject to certain matchups) are one of your best items to get beside wota. you don't need that 40% CDR asap, and you most likely have around 30% CDR already when it's most useful anyways (past level 9 with wota). I'd rather not spend the money on CDR at that stage of the game to get a 10% increase from what I would have with CDR runes and instead spend it on something more valuable like tenacity, tabi passive, or +15 magic pen.
u have only 10% from wota in most matchups u wont be rushing spirit visage after, lucidity are pretty core on vlad
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On September 14 2015 16:22 krndandaman wrote:
the shit on twitter with jatt/balls is so dumb lol
I can't believe jatt actually apologized for his comments on ball's soloq record.
like sure it wasn't the most insightful analysis in the world but I don't see how such a comment warrants a bunch of tweets by 10+ proplayers defending balls.
and he actually sent out an apology to c9 like lol.
sad by all parties
It's pretty bad honestly. Balls has been bad for over a year now, the only issue with Jatts comment was him talking about Solo Q instead of listing the months/year of balls being bad. People getting all upset over it are so dumb. All the "pros" defending him and lashing out at Jatt is so stupid. What Jatt is saying is that balls have been shit for so long and now he can't even play well in Solo Q, so it's like the final confirmation that Balls is bad. Which I think is perfectly reasonable statement. Pro players aren't exactly the most intelligent bunch though so they may not get that or they just want to make sure commentators never point out being sucking so they don't come under fire.
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On September 14 2015 18:15 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 16:22 krndandaman wrote:
the shit on twitter with jatt/balls is so dumb lol
I can't believe jatt actually apologized for his comments on ball's soloq record.
like sure it wasn't the most insightful analysis in the world but I don't see how such a comment warrants a bunch of tweets by 10+ proplayers defending balls.
and he actually sent out an apology to c9 like lol.
sad by all parties It's pretty bad honestly. Balls has been bad for over a year now, the only issue with Jatts comment was him talking about Solo Q instead of listing the months/year of balls being bad. People getting all upset over it are so dumb. All the "pros" defending him and lashing out at Jatt is so stupid. What Jatt is saying is that balls have been shit for so long and now he can't even play well in Solo Q, so it's like the final confirmation that Balls is bad. Which I think is perfectly reasonable statement. Pro players aren't exactly the most intelligent bunch though so they may not get that or they just want to make sure commentators never point out being sucking so they don't come under fire.
It's probably the latter: I mean, if you can create en environment where you don't get criticized (and the insults that tend to follow) then why wouldn't you want it? Pros are probably thinking of situations that escalated in the past, I mean you can't deny that the League community likes to scapegoat bad players and lash out at them, look at Nien or Link, even Dyrus has hit haters.
Not saying that what Jatt did was wrong (I think it's completely fine, he has every right to criticize Ball's poor soloQ performance) but esports tend to have pretty close relationships with their player base in comparison to normal sports. All it takes is a quick read through Reddit to find people that think DL is shit, and Dyrus should retire, and Balls is holding C9 back. That stuff can get into your head, even if signing up as a pro means you should be prepared for the negative comments.
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Nien and Link were bad though. Them being in the spotlight to be called out for so long was the fault of management, not the community. Dyrus is the same but he's been given a pass since top lane in NA is garbage.
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Also keep in mind that Dyrus has been contemplating retirement for literally years now.
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Yea he's had a long career which spans a lot of ups and downs. If TSM could have had someone really good fill his place I'm sure he would have retired already but the rules kind of made it hard for that to happen. Can't really lump him in the same boat as the others, wasn't quite right for me to do so either. He's not like Link or Nien in that there were replacements out there that their teams just didn't bother trying.
Even when C9 were battling it out last year with Hai as mid part of the issue was that balls was performing so badly. If it was just Hai struggling then they may have been able to make do but with both him and Balls it was just too much. Nothing has changed since then with Balls so him finally being called out (even if it's just Solo Q) is a good thing. Maybe C9 will start being proactive with their changes in the future instead of sitting on them until the problems explode.
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On September 14 2015 14:36 Slusher wrote:
probably because he gets 2/4/8 damage per auto from ult and 20/40/80 on the active from ult, I mean I don't agree that it's good but that has to be the reasoning.
for instance he gets 20 damage extra on Q alone by going ravenous instead because all of his AD ratios (not just Q) are 80% or more. I think the problem with Titanic is it just doesn't do anything unique, anything you could want from it you can get from other items that are just all around better. Basically, Ravenous, Sunfire and BC would need to not exist for this to be an item you would consider on any hero in any situation.
Or it could be a free auto and massively efficient, usually an item you get *along with* BC, and really good when you get free double/triple hits, but that's apparently very complicated for people, somehow, for some completely unknown reason.
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On September 14 2015 11:40 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 10:47 Sufficiency wrote:
I actually think CDR boots are better for top lane Vlad.
Scaling CDR blues are cute and all, keep in mind you won't be able to hit 40% CDR until you are level 18. Sometimes you just want power NOW, and CDR boots (subject to certain matchups) are one of your best items to get beside wota. you don't need that 40% CDR asap, and you most likely have around 30% CDR already when it's most useful anyways (past level 9 with wota). I'd rather not spend the money on CDR at that stage of the game to get a 10% increase from what I would have with CDR runes and instead spend it on something more valuable like tenacity, tabi passive, or +15 magic pen.
The thing about CDR is that the more CDR you have the more efficient it is. Granted, I won't recommend CDR boot vs, say, Swain, but maximize CDR isn't a bad strategy.
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i do think that dyrus has been playing better since MSI or so than i've ever seen him over his career.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On September 14 2015 01:11 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 00:59 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
How would you guys build vlad toplane? I have been going Dshield -->revolver-->completely lost. Wota first? Sorcs or lucidity boots? Liandry, Dcap or Rylai's after? Theoretically, Revolver => Guise/Sorc => WotA. Vlad has really low cds as it is to the point where I don't see much value in Lucidity boots on him.
You want CDR even more on low cooldown champs. For huge cooldown abilities, CDR is mostly insurance to make sure you have it up during the next teamfight. For low cooldown abilities, CDR directly translates into DPS.
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