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On August 20 2015 12:29 Nos- wrote:
the new fiora with juggernaut items is uh... interesting
I dunno why you'd ever go any of the juggernaut items on her. Possibly Sterak's if you go for Tforce, but I don't value Tforce on her that much so that base AD goes towards nothing. Titanic is worse than Ravenous in 100% of scenarios because Q procs her lifesteal and she scales massively off AD. DMP maybe as a late pickup? But you don't really need the slow or movespeed for engaging. Anything those items add for her could easily be replaced by just playing better.
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On August 20 2015 09:48 JJMC wrote:
Because I'd rather have games with players not TPing to the middle of the enemy base, running around with no items, etc. I don't care if people spam swasticas in a peculiar order to draw hitlers on all chat, I just want them to play dammit, and not to troll/lose on purpose.
No incentive........ I mean, I'd be in those Leagues 24/7 as long as I'd find similar or higher skill level than me so that I can improve, and people play properly
The problem is the fact that people play for their own reasons. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some people play to have fun, and coincidentally, they are also in the same bracket as you. Others want to win every game no matter what. As long as there is no way to separate the groups of people, you will always have games you cannot control. It's inevitable. Let people play for their own reasons, and you play for yours.
The best way/ the best middle ground is actually starting up a 5s team. The initial creation will probably be difficult, but start looking for people with the same goals as you. Then you start that team up, and meet every day at whatever time to get some games in. Weed out people who don't have the same goals as you or you dislike playing with. It doesn't matter if the enemy team is trolling around because all that matters is you improving. As you climb higher, you'll probably run into more teams who are taking it as seriously as your team does. In any case, it's the best mixture of the idea of inhouse leagues and using Riot's matchmaking to your advantage.
There is a real downside to this. You'll probably end up having to adjust to solo queue even more due to the lack of real communication on your team when you play solo.
Also I hear they are releasing ranked team builder mode soon. That's worth a shot as well as you go in knowing what type of game you can expect.
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On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable.
I have noticed that I am much more toxic this season. I guess its just stress related (for me imo), but damn after each game I am actually surprised how toxic I have become.
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On August 20 2015 13:22 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 09:48 JJMC wrote:
Because I'd rather have games with players not TPing to the middle of the enemy base, running around with no items, etc. I don't care if people spam swasticas in a peculiar order to draw hitlers on all chat, I just want them to play dammit, and not to troll/lose on purpose.
No incentive........ I mean, I'd be in those Leagues 24/7 as long as I'd find similar or higher skill level than me so that I can improve, and people play properly The problem is the fact that people play for their own reasons. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some people play to have fun, and coincidentally, they are also in the same bracket as you. Others want to win every game no matter what. As long as there is no way to separate the groups of people, you will always have games you cannot control. It's inevitable. Let people play for their own reasons, and you play for yours. The best way/ the best middle ground is actually starting up a 5s team. The initial creation will probably be difficult, but start looking for people with the same goals as you. Then you start that team up, and meet every day at whatever time to get some games in. Weed out people who don't have the same goals as you or you dislike playing with. It doesn't matter if the enemy team is trolling around because all that matters is you improving. As you climb higher, you'll probably run into more teams who are taking it as seriously as your team does. In any case, it's the best mixture of the idea of inhouse leagues and using Riot's matchmaking to your advantage. There is a real downside to this. You'll probably end up having to adjust to solo queue even more due to the lack of real communication on your team when you play solo. Also I hear they are releasing ranked team builder mode soon. That's worth a shot as well as you go in knowing what type of game you can expect.
People are still gonna troll and the whole "wow you got your main role and you suck that much" or the rageque as something you lost to.People are assholes and a very big part of the playerbase is very young and stupid.
Then you make a ranked 5s team and understand that most people have different schedules and it is really hard to play consistently.Soloq is always there.
I actually got my first warning yesterday and been playing since s1.Funniest thing is I didn't actually flame people at all in the last 10 or so games but I got reported anyway lol.
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On August 20 2015 15:59 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable. I have noticed that I am much more toxic this season. I guess its just stress related (for me imo), but damn after each game I am actually surprised how toxic I have become.
I find just not typing or muting everyone is pretty helpful.
@Nafta - I got a warning for verbal abuse even though I didn't say a word lol. Don't think it really takes much into account.
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On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable.
im not toxic until I enter diamond MMR, so I think its more something to be said for the people that dwell there. there is this horrible combination of 1/3rd massive egos, 1/3rd people that dont really play to win, and 1/3 one trick pony tryhards that makes every single game infuriating and most of them end in 20 minutes. Really nothing fun about playing in it. The few times im lucky to sneak into a masters game or something the game is drastically different.
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On August 20 2015 22:39 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable. im not toxic until I enter diamond MMR, so I think its more something to be said for the people that dwell there. there is this horrible combination of 1/3rd massive egos, 1/3rd people that dont really play to win, and 1/3 one trick pony tryhards that makes every single game infuriating and most of them end in 20 minutes. Really nothing fun about playing in it. The few times im lucky to sneak into a masters game or something the game is drastically different.
You seem very outspoken against one trick ponies like they're as bad as the other two categories you mentioned, any reason why? I mean watching players like Irelia Carries U, Annie Bot, Rohammers, etc, when they stream, I actually learn a good deal because of how proficient they are at their main. From a learning perspective, one trick ponies are actually rather helpful because they showcase their champion against various lane matchups and team comps. As a Fizz main, I def picked up a thing or two from Fate.
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fizz mains will burn in hell ~~
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On August 20 2015 23:37 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable. im not toxic until I enter diamond MMR, so I think its more something to be said for the people that dwell there. there is this horrible combination of 1/3rd massive egos, 1/3rd people that dont really play to win, and 1/3 one trick pony tryhards that makes every single game infuriating and most of them end in 20 minutes. Really nothing fun about playing in it. The few times im lucky to sneak into a masters game or something the game is drastically different. You seem very outspoken against one trick ponies like they're as bad as the other two categories you mentioned, any reason why? I mean watching players like Irelia Carries U, Annie Bot, Rohammers, etc, when they stream, I actually learn a good deal because of how proficient they are at their main. From a learning perspective, one trick ponies are actually rather helpful because they showcase their champion against various lane matchups and team comps. As a Fizz main, I def picked up a thing or two from Fate.
Because if they go up vs someone who doesn't main the role they auto win the game in 20 or if they get banned they lose the game in 20.
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On August 20 2015 23:37 NeoIllusions wrote:You seem very outspoken against one trick ponies like they're as bad as the other two categories you mentioned, any reason why? I mean watching players like Irelia Carries U, Annie Bot, Rohammers, etc, when they stream, I actually learn a good deal because of how proficient they are at their main. From a learning perspective, one trick ponies are actually rather helpful because they showcase their champion against various lane matchups and team comps. As a Fizz main, I def picked up a thing or two from Fate.
They mostly rely on the enemy not maining the role or falling for the cheese. LVL6 Rengar buying 3 Doran's and ulting bot, even though he's getting smashed top, Rumble who's completely horrible at laning, relies on Dragon, so if you kill him at around 6 and insta drake he's useless for the rest of the game because he has no idea what to do, Heimerdingers trying to do a 20 minute Baron or trying desperatly to get ganked when all the other guy needs to do is waveclear, it's shit like this that pisses me off versus and with one trick ponies.
They can only do one thing, and that one thing isn't even a free win, but if that fails, it's a free loss.
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On August 20 2015 23:48 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 23:37 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 20 2015 22:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable. im not toxic until I enter diamond MMR, so I think its more something to be said for the people that dwell there. there is this horrible combination of 1/3rd massive egos, 1/3rd people that dont really play to win, and 1/3 one trick pony tryhards that makes every single game infuriating and most of them end in 20 minutes. Really nothing fun about playing in it. The few times im lucky to sneak into a masters game or something the game is drastically different. You seem very outspoken against one trick ponies like they're as bad as the other two categories you mentioned, any reason why? I mean watching players like Irelia Carries U, Annie Bot, Rohammers, etc, when they stream, I actually learn a good deal because of how proficient they are at their main. From a learning perspective, one trick ponies are actually rather helpful because they showcase their champion against various lane matchups and team comps. As a Fizz main, I def picked up a thing or two from Fate. Because if they go up vs someone who doesn't main the role they auto win the game in 20 or if they get banned they lose the game in 20.
I'm sure most one trick ponies at least have a decent back up or two right
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
So what do we ban in solo queue in 5.16?
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On August 21 2015 00:21 739 wrote:
So what do we ban in solo queue in 5.16?
apparently skarner
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Same as 5.15: there's not enough bans for everything.
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On August 20 2015 23:37 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 22:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 20 2015 08:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ok, anger issues I can get. Can't relate but it's understandable. im not toxic until I enter diamond MMR, so I think its more something to be said for the people that dwell there. there is this horrible combination of 1/3rd massive egos, 1/3rd people that dont really play to win, and 1/3 one trick pony tryhards that makes every single game infuriating and most of them end in 20 minutes. Really nothing fun about playing in it. The few times im lucky to sneak into a masters game or something the game is drastically different. You seem very outspoken against one trick ponies like they're as bad as the other two categories you mentioned, any reason why? I mean watching players like Irelia Carries U, Annie Bot, Rohammers, etc, when they stream, I actually learn a good deal because of how proficient they are at their main. From a learning perspective, one trick ponies are actually rather helpful because they showcase their champion against various lane matchups and team comps. As a Fizz main, I def picked up a thing or two from Fate.
Basically what nafta said. If a one trick pony lanes against one of the "for fun" ranked players that just plays all roles you instantly lose. If the one trick pony gets banned out you instantly lose. They arent really fun to play against or with. They heavily contribute to 20 minute syndrome
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I dunno why I cant carry hard as viktor or theres a specific teamcomp for him to pwn?
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Take mid with superior waveclear and roam with your jungler.
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So Skarner is reaching 60-63% winrate? Disabled soon?
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On August 21 2015 00:11 JJMC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 23:37 NeoIllusions wrote:You seem very outspoken against one trick ponies like they're as bad as the other two categories you mentioned, any reason why? I mean watching players like Irelia Carries U, Annie Bot, Rohammers, etc, when they stream, I actually learn a good deal because of how proficient they are at their main. From a learning perspective, one trick ponies are actually rather helpful because they showcase their champion against various lane matchups and team comps. As a Fizz main, I def picked up a thing or two from Fate. They mostly rely on the enemy not maining the role or falling for the cheese. LVL6 Rengar buying 3 Doran's and ulting bot, even though he's getting smashed top, Rumble who's completely horrible at laning, relies on Dragon, so if you kill him at around 6 and insta drake he's useless for the rest of the game because he has no idea what to do, Heimerdingers trying to do a 20 minute Baron or trying desperatly to get ganked when all the other guy needs to do is waveclear, it's shit like this that pisses me off versus and with one trick ponies. They can only do one thing, and that one thing isn't even a free win, but if that fails, it's a free loss.
The level 3 dragon cheeses. The old level 2 invades in S3 before trinkets were a thing...
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No he is not at 60%+ winrate. op.gg stats have him at 52-57 depending on Elo/region, and champion.gg isn't updated for 3 more days. For context, that puts him at like 6th place at best. Overtuned? Probably. Disable-worthy? Fuck no.
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