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[Patch 5.13] Tahm Kench General Discussion - Page 36

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[SuNdae]
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland323 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-19 19:44:25
July 19 2015 19:42 GMT
#701
On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:
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On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you.

Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability.


The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 19 2015 19:48 GMT
#702
On July 20 2015 04:42 [SuNdae] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:
On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you.

Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability.


The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.


Good thing it's melee range, huh.
XDG Mata
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 19 2015 21:15 GMT
#703
On July 20 2015 04:42 [SuNdae] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:
On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you.

Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability.


The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.

he also is useless other than that.Honestly his ult is very overrated.It takes REALLY long for you to actually appear after the dive.He just doesn't have enough presence without a lot of items to be a support.He can work if played by a very well coordinated team but otherwise just not worth.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
July 19 2015 22:42 GMT
#704
On July 20 2015 02:56 krndandaman wrote:
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On July 20 2015 02:47 Caiada wrote:
On July 20 2015 02:46 krndandaman wrote:
can anyone confirm for me whether dragon assists give devourer stacks or not?

my team was yelling at me for killing dragon because they said jungler doesn't get devourer stacks if someone else kills it. I couldn't check his stacks beforehand but they swore it didn't.

I'm pretty sure patchnotes said you get stacks from dragon assists.

are they right and did riot fk up or did they just not read patchnotes?


Wiki says they should; so do the patch notes. If they don't, it's a bug.


I know there was a bug where if there are 2 smites on a team and you smite/kill it jungler doesn't get stacks. so if there's another bug where you don't get stacks even without someone else smiting it, that's pretty bad.


Well, whenever it gets fixed, dragon is supposed to give 5 stacks, which is quite a lot.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 20 2015 02:14 GMT
#705
On July 20 2015 02:27 iCanada wrote:
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On July 20 2015 01:22 nafta wrote:
On July 20 2015 01:04 TheYango wrote:
On July 19 2015 15:45 cLutZ wrote:
Being honest, I really can't tell the difference. There is a high correlation between the two in Korea, and the players who dont translate are almost always the players who get picked up by incompetent orgs. Same with EU, just Incarnation had a ridiculous delay.

Korea probably already does the kind of scouting that iCanada mentions. The only solo queue players who you'd even see on successful competitive teams are already the ones that have been filtered out, so of course the correlation is high. The big orgs probably wouldn't even let a pubstar who couldn't transition reasonably well even reach a televised game.

only difference is in kr there are a lot of people who get to play 2/3 games and if it doesnt work out we don't see them for weeks or ever which doesn't happen in the west.People generally if they get on the team they play a season unless it is insanely bad.


Thats my point though...

Why the hell don't Western teams have strong farm systems to replace guys like that? There is no reason not to. It creates competition for roster spots, creates a strong internal practice environment for scrims, lane matchups, tactical ideas, etc.

Look at SKT... they are a top tier team even when the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD sits on the damn bench because they developed another amazing Mid laner in Easyhoon. What happens to TSM if Bjergson couldn't play for some reason?

To be fair, when they were playing Easyhoon a lot Faker was in a huge slump. It's just that Faker is Faker, so a slump meant he was still really good. His play this season until the Summer split is pretty lackluster compared to his play in the summer.
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
July 20 2015 12:13 GMT
#706
Lux is so great right now, now that everything else got nerfed and she got buffed.
If only Viktor didn't exist...
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
July 20 2015 14:17 GMT
#707
On July 20 2015 02:46 krndandaman wrote:
can anyone confirm for me whether dragon assists give devourer stacks or not?

my team was yelling at me for killing dragon because they said jungler doesn't get devourer stacks if someone else kills it. I couldn't check his stacks beforehand but they swore it didn't.

I'm pretty sure patchnotes said you get stacks from dragon assists.

are they right and did riot fk up or did they just not read patchnotes?


It definitely does not. The tool tip says takedowns (kill or assist) on epic monsters give 5 stacks but at this time if you don't get the kill you don't get anything. I'm sure they'll fix it but right now it's not working correctly.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2015 15:54 GMT
#708
On July 20 2015 06:15 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2015 04:42 [SuNdae] wrote:
On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:
On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you.

Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability.


The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.

he also is useless other than that.Honestly his ult is very overrated.It takes REALLY long for you to actually appear after the dive.He just doesn't have enough presence without a lot of items to be a support.He can work if played by a very well coordinated team but otherwise just not worth.


The problem is that when you Devour an ally, he is also (for all intents and purposes) CC'ed. So it's not a miracle save like some people expects.

Overall, for better or worse - his kit is not packed like Kalista/Azir/Ekko is. But I almost feels like his kit is actually a little too plain where all of his power is packed into his W only.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 20 2015 17:27 GMT
#709
He's basically two thirds his W. And his W is really cool.

But I think R being a two-person global is a bit underappreciated, and his E *definitely* is. That E is fucking bonkers and you do too much damage to ignore if you build properly.

The call for him to be support was pretty misguided though.
XDG Mata
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2015 17:38 GMT
#710
Sure, his E is decent since it theoretically reduces his damage taken by 20%-50%, but without a good offensive threat he is useless.

I don't think he is bad, I just think he is extremely niched.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 18:28:53
July 20 2015 18:16 GMT
#711
Update: I decided to play some more, and I am now on a 7 games winning streak after breaking my 8 games losing streak...

Elo heaven here I come...

That being said, there are some serious flaws with my gameplay. I think I also bandwagoned on Devourer too hard.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
July 20 2015 18:45 GMT
#712
you might wanna consider lastshadow´s coaching sessions to fix your basic gameplay 8^)
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 20 2015 21:02 GMT
#713
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
July 20 2015 21:15 GMT
#714
Rip my Gangplank support
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 20 2015 21:17 GMT
#715
On July 21 2015 06:15 Amarok wrote:
Rip my Gangplank support

Good riddance.

I for one welcome our new barrel overlords.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2015 21:22 GMT
#716
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 20 2015 22:08 GMT
#717
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?
Freeeeeeedom
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 22:45:25
July 20 2015 22:12 GMT
#718
If his ult is good, he'll get played. If it's not, he won't. Q/W were his crux and are relatively unchanged, and E just makes him functional at splitting compared to old GP.

Good news is his lategame is pretty hilarious-looking and two ult upgrades make it pretty decent.

Also, Riot, why on Earth would I get BT over Hydra?
XDG Mata
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 20 2015 23:02 GMT
#719
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 20 2015 23:39 GMT
#720
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).
Freeeeeeedom
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