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On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you. Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability.
The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.
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On July 20 2015 04:42 [SuNdae] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you. Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability. The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.
Good thing it's melee range, huh.
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On July 20 2015 04:42 [SuNdae] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you. Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability. The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything.
he also is useless other than that.Honestly his ult is very overrated.It takes REALLY long for you to actually appear after the dive.He just doesn't have enough presence without a lot of items to be a support.He can work if played by a very well coordinated team but otherwise just not worth.
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On July 20 2015 02:56 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 02:47 Caiada wrote:On July 20 2015 02:46 krndandaman wrote:
can anyone confirm for me whether dragon assists give devourer stacks or not?
my team was yelling at me for killing dragon because they said jungler doesn't get devourer stacks if someone else kills it. I couldn't check his stacks beforehand but they swore it didn't.
I'm pretty sure patchnotes said you get stacks from dragon assists.
are they right and did riot fk up or did they just not read patchnotes? Wiki says they should; so do the patch notes. If they don't, it's a bug. I know there was a bug where if there are 2 smites on a team and you smite/kill it jungler doesn't get stacks. so if there's another bug where you don't get stacks even without someone else smiting it, that's pretty bad.
Well, whenever it gets fixed, dragon is supposed to give 5 stacks, which is quite a lot.
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On July 20 2015 02:27 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 01:22 nafta wrote:On July 20 2015 01:04 TheYango wrote:On July 19 2015 15:45 cLutZ wrote:
Being honest, I really can't tell the difference. There is a high correlation between the two in Korea, and the players who dont translate are almost always the players who get picked up by incompetent orgs. Same with EU, just Incarnation had a ridiculous delay. Korea probably already does the kind of scouting that iCanada mentions. The only solo queue players who you'd even see on successful competitive teams are already the ones that have been filtered out, so of course the correlation is high. The big orgs probably wouldn't even let a pubstar who couldn't transition reasonably well even reach a televised game. only difference is in kr there are a lot of people who get to play 2/3 games and if it doesnt work out we don't see them for weeks or ever which doesn't happen in the west.People generally if they get on the team they play a season unless it is insanely bad. Thats my point though... Why the hell don't Western teams have strong farm systems to replace guys like that? There is no reason not to. It creates competition for roster spots, creates a strong internal practice environment for scrims, lane matchups, tactical ideas, etc. Look at SKT... they are a top tier team even when the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD sits on the damn bench because they developed another amazing Mid laner in Easyhoon. What happens to TSM if Bjergson couldn't play for some reason?
To be fair, when they were playing Easyhoon a lot Faker was in a huge slump. It's just that Faker is Faker, so a slump meant he was still really good. His play this season until the Summer split is pretty lackluster compared to his play in the summer.
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Lux is so great right now, now that everything else got nerfed and she got buffed.
If only Viktor didn't exist...
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On July 20 2015 02:46 krndandaman wrote:
can anyone confirm for me whether dragon assists give devourer stacks or not?
my team was yelling at me for killing dragon because they said jungler doesn't get devourer stacks if someone else kills it. I couldn't check his stacks beforehand but they swore it didn't.
I'm pretty sure patchnotes said you get stacks from dragon assists.
are they right and did riot fk up or did they just not read patchnotes?
It definitely does not. The tool tip says takedowns (kill or assist) on epic monsters give 5 stacks but at this time if you don't get the kill you don't get anything. I'm sure they'll fix it but right now it's not working correctly.
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On July 20 2015 06:15 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 04:42 [SuNdae] wrote:On July 19 2015 23:53 Jek wrote:On July 19 2015 12:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how to play Tahm Kench? I feel so useless in lane and in teamfight. I rarely get to use my three stack mechanics. Missing one Q pretty much means you failed to peel and the teammate you're trying to protect as well as whomever is diving him is gonna runaway from you. Catfish as a support really feels like he needs to be picked with certain comps or against certain comps. If you're playing a team with multiple skillshots (or just mid Ezreal) his Devourer means you're 100% to hit them all - just spam ping where you throw your target up. He works really good as a counter to champions like Zed, Vi and Yasuo since he can just counter their ult with a ~10s cooldown ability. The thing is he counters EVERY assassin with a ~10s cooldown ability.Imo it's retarded beyond, well, anything. he also is useless other than that.Honestly his ult is very overrated.It takes REALLY long for you to actually appear after the dive.He just doesn't have enough presence without a lot of items to be a support.He can work if played by a very well coordinated team but otherwise just not worth.
The problem is that when you Devour an ally, he is also (for all intents and purposes) CC'ed. So it's not a miracle save like some people expects.
Overall, for better or worse - his kit is not packed like Kalista/Azir/Ekko is. But I almost feels like his kit is actually a little too plain where all of his power is packed into his W only.
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He's basically two thirds his W. And his W is really cool.
But I think R being a two-person global is a bit underappreciated, and his E *definitely* is. That E is fucking bonkers and you do too much damage to ignore if you build properly.
The call for him to be support was pretty misguided though.
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Sure, his E is decent since it theoretically reduces his damage taken by 20%-50%, but without a good offensive threat he is useless.
I don't think he is bad, I just think he is extremely niched.
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Update: I decided to play some more, and I am now on a 7 games winning streak after breaking my 8 games losing streak...
Elo heaven here I come...
That being said, there are some serious flaws with my gameplay. I think I also bandwagoned on Devourer too hard.
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you might wanna consider lastshadow´s coaching sessions to fix your basic gameplay 8^)
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Rip my Gangplank support 
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On July 21 2015 06:15 Amarok wrote:Rip my Gangplank support
Good riddance.
I for one welcome our new barrel overlords.
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Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.
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On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.
So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?
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If his ult is good, he'll get played. If it's not, he won't. Q/W were his crux and are relatively unchanged, and E just makes him functional at splitting compared to old GP.
Good news is his lategame is pretty hilarious-looking and two ult upgrades make it pretty decent.
Also, Riot, why on Earth would I get BT over Hydra?
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On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?
Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.
Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.
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On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.
I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).
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