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On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).
Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.
GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.
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i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?
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On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote: i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?
It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen.
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On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing). Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps. GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.
Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.
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On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing). Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps. GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better. Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.
I honestly do not know where you are getting at but stop analyzing my posts with a microscope.
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On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing). Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps. GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better. Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies. yorick and olaf come to mind immediately and used to be picked for that exact reason
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On July 21 2015 09:57 TheHumanSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote: i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think? It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen. Including whether or not the attack crits. Which can be a lot of damage. I wonder if it includes sheen damage too.
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I was skeptic about the barrels, but that video makes them look pretigud.
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On July 21 2015 10:07 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing). Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps. GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better. Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies. yorick and olaf come to mind immediately and used to be picked for that exact reason
Well, Yorick is not that good right now, and I think Olaf is stronger as a jungler.
Don't forget GP also has a global ult which seems to do quite a bit of damage. It's not as good as Shen ult, but it IS a global ult so he can make an impact instantly regardless of whether or not he has TP.
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On July 21 2015 10:13 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 09:57 TheHumanSensation wrote:On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote: i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think? It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen. Including whether or not the attack crits. Which can be a lot of damage. I wonder if it includes sheen damage too.
The answer is very yes. Basically, whatever physical damage your attack does, the barrels explode for that damage + the 60% armor ignore + the barrel extra damage vs champions. As a result Triforce is easily the best first item for damage that you can get. Your EV for barrel damage is a little higher than IE while being far more consistent and you get all of TF's other benefits which feel really good on GP. I find that after sheen/triforce farming becomes really easy and you make tons of bank. TF's insane clearing power does falls off later if you build tank but if you do go at least one more big AD item your clear is never too bad. Hydra lets you save barrels for fights tho.
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On July 21 2015 10:07 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing). Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps. GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better. Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies. yorick and olaf come to mind immediately and used to be picked for that exact reason *Were nerfed for that exact reason.
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On July 21 2015 09:57 TheHumanSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote: i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think? It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen.
Parley damage, plus 200 base and penetrates 60% armor. Includes crits and Tforce, possibly Hydra damage?
His lategame teamfight presence will be insane. Seems his only weakness will be an early reliance on getting farm for ult upgrades.
On July 21 2015 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote: Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher. So... Not played unless his numbers are OP? Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition. Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold. I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing). Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps. GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better. Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies. I honestly do not know where you are getting at but stop analyzing my posts with a microscope.
It's operating under the presumption that Riot wants splitpushing to be countered early by lane swaps, and that a champion avoiding that is somehow instantly OP by design, for some nonsensical and very broad reason.
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Yup, I'm the insane one for noticing how they made T2 and T3 turrets nearly impossible to splitpush against an equal farm opponent.
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Riot just changes everything. They don't have some crusade against splitpushing they just want things to be different at different points in time. They buffed the hell out of Teleport which is the splitpushing summoner and the last two things that happened to Jax were buffs. They also nerfed laneswaps (supposedly the counter to splitpushing) by making turrets more resilient to early pushes and at various times have nerfed everything in the game from poke to wombo to sieging to ADC damage to sustain. There's no overarching conspiracy against any one type of play, only change.
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tahm kench grey health is so frustrating
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On July 21 2015 14:47 JimmiC wrote:To play with or against why would it be frustrating to play with you don't have to do anything? he literally just tanks up twice his hp and just pops it for a shield like what?
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whats the current kalista E's text? i heard it was ninja nerf .
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On July 21 2015 11:42 cLutZ wrote: Yup, I'm the insane one for noticing how they made T2 and T3 turrets nearly impossible to splitpush against an equal farm opponent. They've actively made it 'easier' to splitpush in recent times though.
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