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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 21 2015 00:29 GMT
#721
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 21 2015 00:35 GMT
#722
i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?
I come in for the scraps
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
July 21 2015 00:57 GMT
#723
On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?


It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 21 2015 01:03 GMT
#724
On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.


Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 21 2015 01:05 GMT
#725
On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.


Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.


I honestly do not know where you are getting at but stop analyzing my posts with a microscope.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
July 21 2015 01:07 GMT
#726
On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.


Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.

yorick and olaf come to mind immediately and used to be picked for that exact reason
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 21 2015 01:13 GMT
#727
On July 21 2015 09:57 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?


It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen.

Including whether or not the attack crits. Which can be a lot of damage. I wonder if it includes sheen damage too.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 21 2015 01:15 GMT
#728
I was skeptic about the barrels, but that video makes them look pretigud.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 21 2015 01:19 GMT
#729
On July 21 2015 10:07 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.


Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.

yorick and olaf come to mind immediately and used to be picked for that exact reason


Well, Yorick is not that good right now, and I think Olaf is stronger as a jungler.

Don't forget GP also has a global ult which seems to do quite a bit of damage. It's not as good as Shen ult, but it IS a global ult so he can make an impact instantly regardless of whether or not he has TP.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 01:44:02
July 21 2015 01:41 GMT
#730
On July 21 2015 10:13 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 09:57 TheHumanSensation wrote:
On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?


It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen.

Including whether or not the attack crits. Which can be a lot of damage. I wonder if it includes sheen damage too.


The answer is very yes. Basically, whatever physical damage your attack does, the barrels explode for that damage + the 60% armor ignore + the barrel extra damage vs champions. As a result Triforce is easily the best first item for damage that you can get. Your EV for barrel damage is a little higher than IE while being far more consistent and you get all of TF's other benefits which feel really good on GP. I find that after sheen/triforce farming becomes really easy and you make tons of bank. TF's insane clearing power does falls off later if you build tank but if you do go at least one more big AD item your clear is never too bad. Hydra lets you save barrels for fights tho.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 21 2015 01:58 GMT
#731
On July 21 2015 10:07 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.


Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.

yorick and olaf come to mind immediately and used to be picked for that exact reason

*Were nerfed for that exact reason.
Freeeeeeedom
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 02:07:04
July 21 2015 02:02 GMT
#732
On July 21 2015 09:57 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 09:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
i mean i dont know how fed he was but just the last clip shows promise. One barrel basically destroyed their team i think?


It does the same damage as Parrley, with some kind of bonus armour pen.


Parley damage, plus 200 base and penetrates 60% armor. Includes crits and Tforce, possibly Hydra damage?

His lategame teamfight presence will be insane. Seems his only weakness will be an early reliance on getting farm for ult upgrades.

On July 21 2015 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 10:03 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:39 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 08:02 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 21 2015 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
On July 21 2015 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Unless his numbers are absolutely terrible (which I don't think they will be), I think the new GP will be played in competitive as a splitpusher.


So... Not played unless his numbers are OP?


Currently, there aren't a lot of good splitpushing top laners (and Shen is pretty slow). I think GP will be a nice addition.

Furthermore, his laning phase is probably excellent for competitive since he can farm using Q and his Q gives him extra gold.


I think when compared to Jax/Irelia and other splitpushing tops, you are describing an OP champion executing a Riot-disfavored strategy (splitpushing).


Irelia and Jax can split, sure, but they also struggle with laneswaps.

GP has a ranged Q that allows him to handle laneswaps better.


Exactly...you are describing an OP champion (for competitive). There are no tops that handle laneswaps and can splitpush. The closest would be Heacarim, whos splitpushing is really not that great, his laneswap resistance is from good jungling, and he is susceptible to both ganks and lane bullies.


I honestly do not know where you are getting at but stop analyzing my posts with a microscope.


It's operating under the presumption that Riot wants splitpushing to be countered early by lane swaps, and that a champion avoiding that is somehow instantly OP by design, for some nonsensical and very broad reason.
XDG Mata
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 21 2015 02:42 GMT
#733
Yup, I'm the insane one for noticing how they made T2 and T3 turrets nearly impossible to splitpush against an equal farm opponent.
Freeeeeeedom
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
July 21 2015 03:21 GMT
#734
Riot just changes everything. They don't have some crusade against splitpushing they just want things to be different at different points in time. They buffed the hell out of Teleport which is the splitpushing summoner and the last two things that happened to Jax were buffs. They also nerfed laneswaps (supposedly the counter to splitpushing) by making turrets more resilient to early pushes and at various times have nerfed everything in the game from poke to wombo to sieging to ADC damage to sustain. There's no overarching conspiracy against any one type of play, only change.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 21 2015 05:37 GMT
#735
tahm kench grey health is so frustrating
Bronze player stuck in platinum
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 21 2015 05:47 GMT
#736
--- Nuked ---
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-21 06:15:47
July 21 2015 06:12 GMT
#737
On July 21 2015 14:47 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 14:37 Nos- wrote:
tahm kench grey health is so frustrating

To play with or against

why would it be frustrating to play with you don't have to do anything? he literally just tanks up twice his hp and just pops it for a shield like what?
Bronze player stuck in platinum
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 21 2015 06:17 GMT
#738
--- Nuked ---
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
July 21 2015 06:53 GMT
#739
whats the current kalista E's text? i heard it was ninja nerf .
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 21 2015 07:41 GMT
#740
On July 21 2015 11:42 cLutZ wrote:
Yup, I'm the insane one for noticing how they made T2 and T3 turrets nearly impossible to splitpush against an equal farm opponent.

They've actively made it 'easier' to splitpush in recent times though.
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