On July 15 2015 03:22 Koenig99 wrote:
Can anyone advise me on jungle Kayle runes/masteries? I've been trying several combinations lately but I get so low during my first clear that I can't even do 2 buffs before I have to back.

ohaidere

Koenig99

Canada904 Posts

July 14 2015 18:58 GMT

#482

On July 15 2015 03:37 NeoIllusions wrote:

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ohaidere

Thanks for this. How does the kiting work now? I found that it's been difficult ever since they changed the leash system and I mess it up for often than not. Also, I just played a game where I started Krugs and found that to be much easier than Gromp start. Also, is there a reason for Runaan's before BorK? I keep going Bork after Nashors but will try Runaans third item.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

July 14 2015 19:24 GMT

#483

On July 15 2015 03:58 Koenig99 wrote:

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Should be using that thread...

Kiting just means you move back or to the side during your own attack animation cooldown. You'll take less damage than if you were to just stand in one place and take every one of Blue Golem's attacks.

Krugs is going to be easier clear for someone like Kayle because you're spec'd hard in AS and you get more Krug stuns. No surprise there.

Runaan is core because of the AoE proc. It's by far the biggest DPS spike you'll get out of the three AS items you get. In general, Nashor's is for the 20% CDR, Runaan's is for AoE, BotRK is for life steal, slow, and late game shred. You can fit in an early Vamp Scepter/Cutlass if you want but as I mentioned before, CDR is king, then (AS) damage.

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

July 14 2015 19:35 GMT

#484

Kayle bot goes 28/2/0 and goes devourer/wits/runaans with lucidity boots, he also opens EW

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

July 14 2015 19:42 GMT

#485

I have pretty shitty PvE but both gromp start and crugs start full clears take me the same ammount of time. Also Botrk and ruunan's instead of rabadon's trigger me.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

July 14 2015 19:48 GMT

#486

Hat on Kayle? Even old AP lane Kayle got hat as like the 4th or 5th item.

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

July 14 2015 20:21 GMT

#487

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Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

July 14 2015 20:35 GMT

#488

I guess it depends on if you're ballsy enough to do the ult into team gib carry hourglass play.

cythaze

830 Posts

July 14 2015 20:39 GMT

#489

Faker geos Zhonya´s, therefore it´s the correct choice.

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

July 14 2015 20:40 GMT

#490

I mean if you're never going to ult Zhonya then I guess I can see logic in having Rylai instead, wouldn't do it though.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

July 14 2015 21:07 GMT

#491

TF seems like a terrible user of Rylais slow though. His cards are AOE, not easy to hit, and in battle you are pulling Red/Gold (hopefully).

PLUS, if I were to see a good idea for new Rylais on TF it would be as an anti-dive item in concjuntion with Zhonyas (and maybe abyssal) so I don't get instagibbed by like, an Irelia-Rengar tagteam.

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

July 14 2015 21:35 GMT

#492

Zhonyas is ALWAYS a potentially great item on any AP.... What on earth in Tf's kit makes him not want 2.5s of invulnerability? Everyone wants that.

Caiada

United States3052 Posts

July 14 2015 21:35 GMT

#493

Luden's, Lichbane, Cap, Void, Zhonya's seems like a nobrainer on TF, really. Rylai's is for either Liandry's synergy on long-fighting mages (think Viktor/Vel'koz/Brand) or on mages that need the health/slow to not die immediately (Cass)

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 14 2015 21:52 GMT

#494

I've never been a huge fan of Luden on TF, I feel like his pre-luden core of Void - hat - zhonya - cd item - lich fit his kit too well. I can get ditching the 20% cdr item but for me I'm not a fan.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

July 14 2015 21:55 GMT

#495

On July 15 2015 05:21 krndandaman wrote:
botrk/runaan's is definitely better than deathcap on current kayle.

also anyone want to enlighten me on tf?
some TF main I met on soloq was adamant that zhonyas was an overrated item on TF and that it was completely unnecessary on 6 item TF's. according to him, ludens/deathcap/rylais > zhonyas by far. I was skeptical but he said he's been maining TF since s3 and has 500 tf games this season at d3.

when I asked for reasoning he just simply would tell us to stfu when we were genuinely curious about his reasoning ( he wasn't playing TF in the game, he was criticizing our TF's build)

am I missing something here or is he just a deluded tf main? i'm pretty sure zhonyas is one of the best items on TF and absolutely deserves a spot in a 6 item build even with all the ap item changes.

he is a tf main since s3 has 500 games this season in diamond 3 that should tell you enough about how smart he is

Gahlo

United States35172 Posts

July 14 2015 22:33 GMT

#496

On July 15 2015 06:55 nafta wrote:

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he is a tf main since s3 has 500 games this season in diamond 3 that should tell you enough about how smart he is

Even so, if somebody is trying to learn why a decision is made "stfu and do it my way" is one of the worst responses to give.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

July 14 2015 22:38 GMT

#497

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried Devourer with Ekko jungle (build tank after Devourer)? In my mind it feels decent, but I could be totally wrong.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 14 2015 22:47 GMT

#498

his passive has a cd so it wouldn't do much unless they are in w passive range

which doesn't seem useless but I have my doubts

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

July 14 2015 23:01 GMT

#499

List of weirder onhit champions who you could go devourer on for fun:

Chagath: 80+.3AP maxed
Malph: 75+.1AP .1AR
Teemo: 50+.3AP
Udyr: 67+.15AP (if it was every hit, only procs every 3 hits for triple this)
Aatrox: 67+.33AD (if it was every hit, only procs every 3 hits for triple this)
Irelia: 75 true
Rumble: 120+.25 at 18
Volibear: 155+.3AP

On this note, what happens to draven with devourer? His spinning axe is an onhit effect, doubling axeplosion? Probably not.

MooMooMugi

United States10531 Posts

July 15 2015 00:19 GMT

#500

Have you guys gotten a random survey in post game screen asking you to rate the champion's gameplay and design you just played with from the scale of poor to excellent?