EPTDeficio and Dentist suspended - Page 5
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thejuju
United States413 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smgreq | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 04 2015 12:23 thejuju wrote: Or maybe, just maybe, rito didn't exactly disclose all of the information that was actually in the case, and deficio was involved in something more sinister than we've been told. That's certainly a possibility. But in that case why not just hide everything instead just hiding part of it? Besides, by making Deficio not cast until W4, he basically doesn't have anything to do for 3 weeks. That's one punishment we already know. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 04 2015 12:24 cLutZ wrote: I actually really like DOA's take. Its basically 100% my take, based on available information. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smgreq DOA makes a fair point about how it's unreasonable to expect employees to report all job offers they receive, but I don't think that point is relevant in this case. To quote the ruling, "Although it’s not unusual for Rioters to be approached with offers from LCS organizations, it’s important that the organization and Rioter let us know as soon as an offer is made to raise awareness around potential conflicts of interest." Riot's being pretty specific about expecting employees to let them know if they receive job offers from LCS teams, because that raises potential conflicts of interest. That's a completely reasonable policy, as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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Saradin
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:29 Saradin wrote: Barring Deficio from only CW games isn't really much of a punishment. Not appearing for a mandatory 1/5 of the games is practically not all that different from the break he'd get rotating out like normal. It'd essentially be a slap on the wrist. Deficio does NOT even need any form of public punishment. He broke his company's rules due to conflict of interests. He can take a formal warning, a pay cut, or both - privately. No need to shame him publicly. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Considering LCS teams/orgs is a significant pool of potential employers for Riot employees, I'd say the #1 "conflict" is that he could receive a competitive offer from them. Feel free to provide others, but they aren't even competitors, and it doesn't seem like they even have negotiations about prize money, etc. Its just a take-it-or-leave-it situation out of Riot. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:35 Sufficiency wrote: Deficio does NOT even need any form of public punishment. He broke his company's rules due to conflict of interests. He can take a formal warning, a pay cut, or both - privately. No need to shame him publicly. I take it then that you disagree with the idea that a punitive measure needs to be both impactful and known to serve as a deterrent down the road. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I mean, all the other previous competitive rulings came with quoted agreed upon rules/contract.... | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:42 Saradin wrote: I take it then that you disagree with the idea that a punitive measure needs to be both impactful and known to serve as a deterrent down the road. Deficio is an adult. You don't need to shame him in public in order to deter him. | ||
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Saradin
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:42 Saradin wrote: Employees fuck up a ton, some even costing companies thousands, if not millions of dollars worth of damage, they don't get a public flogging over it. I still think it's a smart PR move from Riot, and good for Deficio as well, if this was leaked it could have damaged Deficio's reputation more than just this ruling.I take it then that you disagree with the idea that a punitive measure needs to be both impactful and known to serve as a deterrent down the road. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:58 Saradin wrote: 'down the road' is not just Deficio. It's a warning shot for the rest of your current, and future, employees. Managing a company via scaring tactics is retarded. | ||
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Saradin
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:58 Saradin wrote: 'down the road' is not just Deficio. It's a warning shot for the rest of your current, and future, employees. A nip it in the bud sort of mentality. Well its also telling potential future employees (and those with contracts upcoming) that they should demand significantly higher salaries from Riot than from comparable corps. Its somewhat short-sighted, because right now many of their employees are basically LOL-only personalities, but this could be a reason not many respected people are flowing into the dev side of the company, and it may be why Monte is so reluctant to become an LCS caster and Joe/Deman preferred migrating to other games with far less exposure. It will be very interesting to see if Riot is a 1-hit wonder developer or if they can expand. Because many of their moves do seem to assume that their brand is built on being an elite company with ingenious ideas, instead of a few, somewhat lucky things they did in 2008, 09, 10 plus institutional momentum | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
On June 04 2015 14:01 Sufficiency wrote: Managing a company via scaring tactics is retarded. I don't think you understand that if you're in a public position you need to have public statements to cover PR. What is Riot going to do? just have him not cast for 3 weeks and pretend nothing happened? no they need to explain the public part of the punishment and then some 'additional disciplinary actions'. They parts they can keep private are private. The parts which need to be made public are public. The reasons are spelled out for transparency, which is again, the proper PR move considering their position as owner, operator, governing body, etc. Need to have people trust your decisions. That being said, I agree with DoA about the job offers stuff - thing is, you'd always tread carefully when switching jobs. Any other job at any other company, you never let your boss know until that job offer is inked. This is a case of Dentist et al. being really dumb and 'unprofessional' which is all too common in esports. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:43 wei2coolman wrote: Right now it just seems like a really vague arbitrary line that they're drawing. so like almost every ruling riot has done? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 04 2015 13:35 Sufficiency wrote: Deficio does NOT even need any form of public punishment. He broke his company's rules due to conflict of interests. He can take a formal warning, a pay cut, or both - privately. No need to shame him publicly. But they aren't revealing his real punishment. The stuff they revealed is only being revealed IMO because people would ask where he went if they kept that private. They said he was being disciplined internally, and they wouldn't reveal how. Saradin is right, the "public" punishment isn't a punishment at all. | ||
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Video2000
Denmark517 Posts
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