EPT[Patch 5.10] Ekko General Discussion - Page 5
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
The rest of his kit could be complete garbage, and I'd still think this is crazy. Even if it is heavily gated by cooldowns it seems obscene. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Mensol
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On May 28 2015 23:46 zer0das wrote: I don't understand why they make passive's like Ekko's where its insanely better than preexisting champions passives while also being very similar. It's basically Diana passive but it works with spells, slows enemy champions (80% for 3 seconds at level 11, what?), and gives him a speed buff equal to the slow. I would expect there to be a significant difference in damage given the above, but it's only 50 base damage and a 0.1 AP scaling difference, which is nuts considering how much easier it will probably be to trigger it against champions since it works with spells. All that extra junk compared to poor Diana's 20% extra attack speed lol. The rest of his kit could be complete garbage, and I'd still think this is crazy. Even if it is heavily gated by cooldowns it seems obscene. Ekko needs all 3 hits on a target whereas Diana can proc with only 1 (on enemy) | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On May 28 2015 23:48 schmutttt wrote: OK TL, I know a lot of you would spam Pantheon back in the day. Can someone tell me wtf beats him in lane? Malph? Shen? Vlad? I have no idea. Everything that can sustain his harass is a soft win (e.g. cloth armor + 5 pots, or flask +3), meaning that if he doesn't kill you or completely zone you and you have enough pressure on him to diminish his roams - its a win. If you talk about hard wins: Ranged champs like Brand, Syndra, Ahri, Lulu are pain in the ass, Darius is a worth mention, I won't be surprised if Rumble/Vlad are also a problem. You mentioned Malph and I would add Sion, but these are again soft wins, they dont have kill/zone pressure on panth p.s. Back in the day as you put it, Olaf was a huge problem for Panth, but this was before the rework, no idea how it is now. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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kongoline
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On May 28 2015 23:50 Mensol wrote: ^ Vlad beats everyone. vlad actually gets smashed by pantheon | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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kongoline
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Mensol
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
You could be a dick and play Yorick, Olaf might be okay. Elise maybe, but I think she was nerfed too hard. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I don't like the cheese strat on panth though. Unless I'm v Riven or some shit I hard-counter, it'll never work. Prefer to just run TP and go bruiser. On May 28 2015 23:46 zer0das wrote: I don't understand why they make passive's like Ekko's where its insanely better than preexisting champions passives while also being very similar. It's basically Diana passive but it works with spells, slows enemy champions (80% for 3 seconds at level 11, what?), and gives him a speed buff equal to the slow. I would expect there to be a significant difference in damage given the above, but it's only 50 base damage and a 0.1 AP scaling difference, which is nuts considering how much easier it will probably be to trigger it against champions since it works with spells. All that extra junk compared to poor Diana's 20% extra attack speed lol. The rest of his kit could be complete garbage, and I'd still think this is crazy. Even if it is heavily gated by cooldowns it seems obscene. Balance doesn't happen in a vacuum. I don't know how balanced Ekko is or isn't yet, but that mindset is still wrong. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 28 2015 23:46 zer0das wrote: I don't understand why they make passive's like Ekko's where its insanely better than preexisting champions passives while also being very similar. It's basically Diana passive but it works with spells, slows enemy champions (80% for 3 seconds at level 11, what?), and gives him a speed buff equal to the slow. I would expect there to be a significant difference in damage given the above, but it's only 50 base damage and a 0.1 AP scaling difference, which is nuts considering how much easier it will probably be to trigger it against champions since it works with spells. All that extra junk compared to poor Diana's 20% extra attack speed lol. The rest of his kit could be complete garbage, and I'd still think this is crazy. Even if it is heavily gated by cooldowns it seems obscene. To be fair Diana's passive has no cooldown, does AoE damage, and is target independent. After Ekko procs his passive on someone he's locked out of stacking it again until 3 seconds have past. That said, I think the slow/speed boost are probably overkill. I also bet dollars to donuts that Riot walks back the "enemies can't see where you placed his W" thing at some point. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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kongoline
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 28 2015 23:46 zer0das wrote: I don't understand why they make passive's like Ekko's where its insanely better than preexisting champions passives while also being very similar. It's basically Diana passive but it works with spells, slows enemy champions (80% for 3 seconds at level 11, what?), and gives him a speed buff equal to the slow. I would expect there to be a significant difference in damage given the above, but it's only 50 base damage and a 0.1 AP scaling difference, which is nuts considering how much easier it will probably be to trigger it against champions since it works with spells. All that extra junk compared to poor Diana's 20% extra attack speed lol. The rest of his kit could be complete garbage, and I'd still think this is crazy. Even if it is heavily gated by cooldowns it seems obscene. And the 20% AS isn't even a benefit. It's a way for Riot to keep her base AS slow so she doesn't scale well with AS. On May 29 2015 00:18 Caiada wrote: Anybody who puts out good sustained damage and/or likes to build armor will beat Pantheon. Rumble and Darius destroy him. If they're trying to cheese you, you can just go cloth/5pot and win by default. I don't like the cheese strat on panth though. Unless I'm v Riven or some shit I hard-counter, it'll never work. Prefer to just run TP and go bruiser. Balance doesn't happen in a vacuum. I don't know how balanced Ekko is or isn't yet, but that mindset is still wrong. Never really had an issue against panth. Shielding spears for days. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On May 28 2015 15:52 nafta wrote: It never left.Also at least for officer caitlyn it only happens when your q is on cd.Or at least that was how it worked last patch rofl. I mean it randomly goes away and comes back every other patch z.z Was super bad yesterday for me, I wasn't even using a skin zz. | ||
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