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On May 25 2015 08:42 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 08:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide. IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle. And that perfectly sums up why this conversation will never go anywhere because I could not disagree with you anymore.
Which part exactly do you disagree with?:
1. There are flamers.
2. There are extra-sensitive people.
3. 1 & 2 both generate negative interactions with "normal" people.
4. People in Group 2 fail to recognize 3.
5. Normal people would be negatively affected by a level of enforcement that satisfies Group 2.
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United States23745 Posts
On May 25 2015 09:09 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 08:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 08:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide. IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle. And that perfectly sums up why this conversation will never go anywhere because I could not disagree with you anymore. Which part exactly do you disagree with?: 1. There are flamers. 2. There are extra-sensitive people. 3. 1 & 2 both generate negative interactions with "normal" people. 4. People in Group 2 fail to recognize 3. 5. Normal people would be negatively affected by a level of enforcement that satisfies Group 2.
Your vilification of "extra-sensitive" people mostly. I also think you're highly overestimating the number or "normal" people getting effected. People getting banned probably deserve it. I'm over this conversation and debate, not worth wasting my energy on.
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Man, normal people would suffer so much from the prohibition of gg easy.
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"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
Also also, if anybody can find some correlation between Elo, and quotey quote quote "childishness", pull that shit up.
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United States47024 Posts
I mean, ultimately it comes down to whether flaming negatively affects group 2 more of if enforcement against flaming negatively affects group 3 more. Which is really hard to make a judgment about.
So ultimately Riot will run their game the way they want and people will always ask for them to change the game in a way that they like. Which is really true of every aspect of League of Legends, not just this kind of stuff.
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This is probably the worst GD ive ever witnessed.
I hope they nerf Cinderhulk asap.
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I hope they buff Warrior and various Magus users instead. After Sej/Grag nerfs tho. The other Cinderhulk users aren't unkillable gods like those two.
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is it me or theres renekton in like half of the games in past few days?
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On May 25 2015 09:18 Mensol wrote:
This is probably the worst GD ive ever witnessed.
I hope they nerf Cinderhulk asap.
They did. This patch.
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On May 25 2015 08:36 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide. IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle.
I feel like I'm in the middle and I don't see how I'm negatively impacted?
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
The biggest irony is that most people here who say that gg easy isnt bad are the first one who cry when you warn them.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 25 2015 09:39 Chexx wrote:
The biggest irony is that most people here who say that gg easy isnt bad are the first one who cry when you warn them.
Thats like the exact opposite of what irony is
people who think saying gg easy is fine are also the people who might think that LL is too strictly moderated
it's simple logic
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On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but that's just being empathetic.
2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.
I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On May 25 2015 09:41 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:39 Chexx wrote:
The biggest irony is that most people here who say that gg easy isnt bad are the first one who cry when you warn them. Thats like the exact opposite of what irony is people who think saying gg easy is fine are also the people who might think that LL is too strictly moderated it's simple logic
well they are also the same people who report others the most sooo only if its affects them.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 25 2015 09:48 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:41 Scip wrote:On May 25 2015 09:39 Chexx wrote:
The biggest irony is that most people here who say that gg easy isnt bad are the first one who cry when you warn them. Thats like the exact opposite of what irony is people who think saying gg easy is fine are also the people who might think that LL is too strictly moderated it's simple logic well they are also the same people who report others the most sooo only if its affects them.
are they though?
where are your stats
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On May 25 2015 09:49 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:48 Chexx wrote:On May 25 2015 09:41 Scip wrote:On May 25 2015 09:39 Chexx wrote:
The biggest irony is that most people here who say that gg easy isnt bad are the first one who cry when you warn them. Thats like the exact opposite of what irony is people who think saying gg easy is fine are also the people who might think that LL is too strictly moderated it's simple logic well they are also the same people who report others the most sooo only if its affects them. are they though? where are your stats
Its not really hard to keep track of 4 names and I didnt write down every report we didnt actioned.
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On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic. 2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego.
The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective.
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On May 25 2015 09:51 Caiada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic. 2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego. The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective.
It's exactly relevant to the topic at hand. If riots system is banning certain phrases and words it's because a large group finds them offensive. It doesn't mean these phrases or words are bad it just means rito has decided it's more profitable to ban players using these phrases to keep more sensitive players playing and spending money. There's nothing subjective about profits although determining the gain from this sort of thing is difficult at best.
As players we want a system best suited for the game and some players want a game where you can flame all you want. It doesn't really matter to me but its an interesting subject.
What people are trynig to argue is that saying "gg easy" is bad when it isn't at all. Personally I find it hilarious, some people get mad, some people don't care. The point is if riot decides to get rid of it it doesnt at all mean you're right it just means enough people are childish enough that its profitable for riot to ban people for saying it a lot.
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On May 25 2015 09:53 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:51 Caiada wrote:On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic. 2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego. The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective. It's exactly relevant to the topic at hand. If riots system is banning certain phrases and words it's because a large group finds them offensive. It doesn't mean these phrases or words are bad it just means rito has decided it's more profitable to ban players using these phrases to keep more sensitive players playing and spending money. There's nothing subjective about profits although determining the gain from this sort of thing is difficult at best. As players we want a system best suited for the game and some players want a game where you can flame all you want. It doesn't really matter to me but its an interesting subject.
if you keep the game baby friendly that's where all the money is
why do you think riot is catering to casuals so hard, all the bad people are the ones who buy the lee sin chroma packs
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On May 25 2015 09:53 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:51 Caiada wrote:On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic. 2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego. The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective. It's exactly relevant to the topic at hand. If riots system is banning certain phrases and words it's because a large group finds them offensive. It doesn't mean these phrases or words are bad it just means rito has decided it's more profitable to ban players using these phrases to keep more sensitive players playing and spending money. There's nothing subjective about profits although determining the gain from this sort of thing is difficult at best. As players we want a system best suited for the game and some players want a game where you can flame all you want. It doesn't really matter to me but its an interesting subject.
It's still kind of like pointing out water is wet. Both sides want wholly subjective things. We could do all kinds of stats to figure out what the people want and shit, but I think it's safe to assume Riot's done that already, given the obscene amount of information they collect.
On May 25 2015 09:55 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:53 Slayer91 wrote:On May 25 2015 09:51 Caiada wrote:On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.
Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.
1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic. 2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego. The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective. It's exactly relevant to the topic at hand. If riots system is banning certain phrases and words it's because a large group finds them offensive. It doesn't mean these phrases or words are bad it just means rito has decided it's more profitable to ban players using these phrases to keep more sensitive players playing and spending money. There's nothing subjective about profits although determining the gain from this sort of thing is difficult at best. As players we want a system best suited for the game and some players want a game where you can flame all you want. It doesn't really matter to me but its an interesting subject. if you keep the game baby friendly that's where all the money is why do you think riot is catering to casuals so hard, all the bad people are the ones who buy the lee sin chroma packs
I'm glad you keep posting, because this shit is hilarious.
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