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On May 25 2015 04:41 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? I always thought participation ribbons were uniquely American thing, I guess pandering to non-winners (wouldn't want to say loser, might hurt people's feelings) is a universal thing. I guess that's why we have bronze league. lol. It's a generational thing, not a regional trend. I'd wager it started with children born in the mid 90's and as they're hitting their 20's and failing at life while blaming every outside source they can think of, society is just now realizing that maybe convincing every useless person that they are, indeed, a special snowflake worthy of unearned praise and appreciation was probably not the best way to raise kids.
Let's get something straight. There is a difference between me wanting to report someone after I did something retarded and I'm being laughed at, or someone insulting me/us after an even/close/4v5 game with gg easy.
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On May 25 2015 04:49 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:41 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? I always thought participation ribbons were uniquely American thing, I guess pandering to non-winners (wouldn't want to say loser, might hurt people's feelings) is a universal thing. I guess that's why we have bronze league. lol. It's a generational thing, not a regional trend. I'd wager it started with children born in the mid 90's and as they're hitting their 20's and failing at life while blaming every outside source they can think of, society is just now realizing that maybe convincing every useless person that they are, indeed, a special snowflake worthy of unearned praise and appreciation was probably not the best way to raise kids. Let's get something straight. There is a difference between me wanting to report someone after I did something retarded and I'm being laughed at, or someone insulting me/us after an even/close/4v5 game with gg easy.
Meanwhile I can see /r/lol mods messaging Richard Lewis "gg ez" after content banning his stuff. LOL
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On May 25 2015 04:40 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? Even if I did, it wouldn't explain how so many people have not yet reached that mental level where they are aware that gg easy is, in fact, an insult. Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:38 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:14 Volband wrote:
Don't put me in a position where I have to decide, what's fine or not. But gg easy is definitely a worse offense than calling someone a douche, yes. I would strongly disagree with this. Saying 'gg easy' is nothing more than a comment on how easy it was to win a game. At best it's a passive-aggressive attack on the skill of one's opponent. Calling someone a douchebag is a personal attack on their character. Which is probably far worse, actually. You are aware that more often than not gg easy is said when the game was actually close? Right...?
While I agree that denying it's an insult is completely ridiculous, I would place it very, VERY low on any scale measuring the severity of the insult itself. It's a childish spit in the face, to be sure. I compare it to an 8 year old calling someone a stupid-head or poopy-face. Not really all that offensive once you consider the source of the comment.
Is it ban worthy? My personal opinion would be a clear 'no'. It really isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) offensive enough to ruin somebody's experience while playing the game, and ALL forms of competition DO contain varying levels of trash-talk. Personally, I'd rather the focus go towards harassment throughout a game, egregious slurs (fa**ot, ni**er, etc.), and trolling through one's actions that can't be logged in a chat window. I'd also like to see people that start fights after given advice focused on as well. Because guess what snowflake, when I tell you that you should build a BF before finishing your Shiv+Boots2, I'm not being toxic, I'm being helpful.
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On May 25 2015 04:52 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:40 Volband wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? Even if I did, it wouldn't explain how so many people have not yet reached that mental level where they are aware that gg easy is, in fact, an insult. On May 25 2015 04:38 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:14 Volband wrote:
Don't put me in a position where I have to decide, what's fine or not. But gg easy is definitely a worse offense than calling someone a douche, yes. I would strongly disagree with this. Saying 'gg easy' is nothing more than a comment on how easy it was to win a game. At best it's a passive-aggressive attack on the skill of one's opponent. Calling someone a douchebag is a personal attack on their character. Which is probably far worse, actually. You are aware that more often than not gg easy is said when the game was actually close? Right...? While I agree that denying it's an insult is completely ridiculous, I would place it very, VERY low on any scale measuring the severity of the insult itself. It's a childish spit in the face, to be sure. I compare it to an 8 year old calling someone a stupid-head or poopy-face. Not really all that offensive once you consider the source of the comment. Is it ban worthy? My personal opinion would be a clear 'no'. It really isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) offensive enough to ruin somebody's experience while playing the game, and ALL forms of competition DO contain varying levels of trash-talk. Personally, I'd rather the focus go towards harassment throughout a game, egregious slurs (fa**ot, ni**er, etc.), and trolling through one's actions that can't be logged in a chat window. I'd also like to see people that start fights after given advice focused on as well. Because guess what snowflake, when I tell you that you should build a BF before finishing your Shiv+Boots2, I'm not being toxic, I'm being helpful.
yeah it's a low scale insult and I personally don't think it warrants a ban either but I don't get why people are so up in arms about it here and whining about how broken riot's system is or how thinly skinned people are here for not caring about people getting banned for it.
if 'poophead' and 'stupid face' got you banned as well I'd think it's pretty silly but wouldn't care. at worst it will just ban little children who probably shouldn't be trying to insult others in such a lame way and instead learn to either A) use chat in a more productive way or B) increase vocabulary beyond insults from 1st grade
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On May 25 2015 04:52 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:40 Volband wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? Even if I did, it wouldn't explain how so many people have not yet reached that mental level where they are aware that gg easy is, in fact, an insult. On May 25 2015 04:38 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:14 Volband wrote:
Don't put me in a position where I have to decide, what's fine or not. But gg easy is definitely a worse offense than calling someone a douche, yes. I would strongly disagree with this. Saying 'gg easy' is nothing more than a comment on how easy it was to win a game. At best it's a passive-aggressive attack on the skill of one's opponent. Calling someone a douchebag is a personal attack on their character. Which is probably far worse, actually. You are aware that more often than not gg easy is said when the game was actually close? Right...? While I agree that denying it's an insult is completely ridiculous, I would place it very, VERY low on any scale measuring the severity of the insult itself. It's a childish spit in the face, to be sure. I compare it to an 8 year old calling someone a stupid-head or poopy-face. Not really all that offensive once you consider the source of the comment. Is it ban worthy? My personal opinion would be a clear 'no'. It really isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) offensive enough to ruin somebody's experience while playing the game, and ALL forms of competition DO contain varying levels of trash-talk. Personally, I'd rather the focus go towards harassment throughout a game, egregious slurs (fa**ot, ni**er, etc.), and trolling through one's actions that can't be logged in a chat window. I'd also like to see people that start fights after given advice focused on as well. Because guess what snowflake, when I tell you that you should build a BF before finishing your Shiv+Boots2, I'm not being toxic, I'm being helpful.
Some of these points have been chewed upon a lot.
Is it as bad or nearly as bad as your examples? No, of course not. No one claims it to be.
Is it an insult? It is, even if Scip and co. have a hard time wrapping their head around that word.
Is it supposed to be the highest priority on Riot's list. No, but they shouldn't get flak just because they care about this as well. It's obviously easier to automate a ban system for gg easy than intentional trollers.
What we don't agree, is the severity of gg easy, obviously. You say it barely has any negative effects, but I beg to concur. Seems like a personality difference, but I don't see how is it hard to imagine how it might really annoy someone. Once again, we were jackasses with each other when we played together, whether it was sports when we were young or games nowadays. But we never disrespected strangers, and the kinds of people who did... well, let me not go into racist territory!
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Could this 'toxicity' argument get a little stupider. I don't think we've ground enough horse-points into glue yet.
On an actually productive note, Riot doesn't start at the bottom for champion changes. Yeah, they could fix shitty Taric or GP (who is in progress btw, remember there's a lot of behind-the-scenes we have no clue about except occasional redposts), but 1) they'll get 'easy' updates done quicker just because they're easier, 2) easy updates like Ashe are low-risk so worked on first either way.
Ashe is a popular champion and Riot felt she could be more fun/well designed. So she got a relatively small update. Like smaller-scale Xerath.
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On May 25 2015 05:09 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:41 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? I always thought participation ribbons were uniquely American thing, I guess pandering to non-winners (wouldn't want to say loser, might hurt people's feelings) is a universal thing. I guess that's why we have bronze league. lol. It's a generational thing, not a regional trend. I'd wager it started with children born in the mid 90's and as they're hitting their 20's and failing at life while blaming every outside source they can think of, society is just now realizing that maybe convincing every useless person that they are, indeed, a special snowflake worthy of unearned praise and appreciation was probably not the best way to raise kids. which is why so many insult their teammates in lol instead of see how they could improve. they won't dare actually take responsibility for there actions. Now if new system works they will have to take responsibility for there words too, how awful. edit. and wtf cares if you can't write gg ez after a game. If you really want to say something use some damn creativity and make something else up.
Absolutely true ^
And at the same time, simple criticism and advice set others off on toxic tirades just because they can't be bothered to admit they're bad and that maybe, just maybe, the person telling them they shouldn't tower-dive at 1/4 health might actually be right, not toxic.
I think it's the same type of people in both camps.
And personally I don't care about "gg ez" (or any other insult for that matter). Especially considering it comes at the end of the game. If it has a lingering effect on the rest of your experience playing LoL, then I'd dare say that maybe you could stand to toughen up a little bit. But I don't insult my opponent at the end of a game anyway, so it really doesn't affect me.
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On May 25 2015 05:13 Caiada wrote:
...shitty Taric ...
U wot mate
Taric is fabulous
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On May 25 2015 05:17 killerdog wrote:U wot mate Taric is fabulous
I mean, I love him, but he sucks.
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On May 25 2015 05:13 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:52 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:40 Volband wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? Even if I did, it wouldn't explain how so many people have not yet reached that mental level where they are aware that gg easy is, in fact, an insult. On May 25 2015 04:38 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:14 Volband wrote:
Don't put me in a position where I have to decide, what's fine or not. But gg easy is definitely a worse offense than calling someone a douche, yes. I would strongly disagree with this. Saying 'gg easy' is nothing more than a comment on how easy it was to win a game. At best it's a passive-aggressive attack on the skill of one's opponent. Calling someone a douchebag is a personal attack on their character. Which is probably far worse, actually. You are aware that more often than not gg easy is said when the game was actually close? Right...? While I agree that denying it's an insult is completely ridiculous, I would place it very, VERY low on any scale measuring the severity of the insult itself. It's a childish spit in the face, to be sure. I compare it to an 8 year old calling someone a stupid-head or poopy-face. Not really all that offensive once you consider the source of the comment. Is it ban worthy? My personal opinion would be a clear 'no'. It really isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) offensive enough to ruin somebody's experience while playing the game, and ALL forms of competition DO contain varying levels of trash-talk. Personally, I'd rather the focus go towards harassment throughout a game, egregious slurs (fa**ot, ni**er, etc.), and trolling through one's actions that can't be logged in a chat window. I'd also like to see people that start fights after given advice focused on as well. Because guess what snowflake, when I tell you that you should build a BF before finishing your Shiv+Boots2, I'm not being toxic, I'm being helpful. Some of these points have been chewed upon a lot. Is it as bad or nearly as bad as your examples? No, of course not. No one claims it to be. Is it an insult? It is, even if Scip and co. have a hard time wrapping their head around that word. Is it supposed to be the highest priority on Riot's list. No, but they shouldn't get flak just because they care about this as well. It's obviously easier to automate a ban system for gg easy than intentional trollers. What we don't agree, is the severity of gg easy, obviously. You say it barely has any negative effects, but I beg to concur. Seems like a personality difference, but I don't see how is it hard to imagine how it might really annoy someone. Once again, we were jackasses with each other when we played together, whether it was sports when we were young or games nowadays. But we never disrespected strangers, and the kinds of people who did... well, let me not go into racist territory!
thats basically the end of the discussion.
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Out of curiosity, which patch will the LCS start on? 5.9, right? It's been a few weeks already.
Du we know if Viktor is enabled (prob won't change anything)?
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On May 24 2015 21:11 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 20:39 AlterKot wrote:Oh don't you worry about me being banned  Meanwhile I'll keep on laughing at how riddiculous it is that people are offended by "gg easy" and that people are using "summoner's code" to determine what's right or wrong. Put it that way: people usually say they like TL's style of moderation, when one of the 10 commandements is "our house, our rules". LoL is Riot's game, so no matter how people try to make fun of the summoner's code for being silly or whatever and not catering to their own perception of how they shsould be allowed to act in a game, it's basically Riot's version of "our house, our rules" and you're supposed to abide by them. Mathematically speaking, a case can be made for the promotions changes, as in despite the "BoX" system, you still need to win one game to reach it right after you fail 1-2 or 2-3 Essentially, after failing a promo you need to win the next one, then 2-1 or 3-2, which is still 3-1 or 4-2 overall. if you factor in the previous promotion failure you still get 4-3 or 6-5 (and then you can add the previous game needed to reach that promo series, etc.). In the long term, if you win over 50% of your games, you should theorically climb up. But the promos system means that in the short term you have to win between 75% or 66% of your games, which is very high and creates the obstacle (and if you don't win the game right after the promo failure you're back to the "get over 50%" stage anyway since you need to win once + the number of games you lose before you reach that number). If it didn't make winning streaks so crucial, it wouldn't be as frustrating, as a player experience. Of course if we still had Elo it wouldn't be needed in the first place. With their system you need to win 50% of your games after you've narrowly lost a promo series before (I think they require you to go 1-2 or 2-3 to give the free win? Forgot), so it's statistically not that bad if you've proven you had success before, I assume. However, yeah it does look "ugly" in a systemic way.
It looks ok when you cherry pick the data that way. But if you look at making it to promos on a continuum as opposed to the "last game" then you will find that sufficient games played will put most/many players in a bracket above where they belong. For instance if your win rate in promos is 50% then the probability your win 3 before losing 3 is 50%. Over two promos you have a 75% chance to succeed. Over three you have a 87.5% chance.
And if you truely have a 50% chance to win your promos you will get many many chances. As we drop to 40% things get harder but it still has the same overall structure. More probability of winning as you play more promos
This change makes that effect massive instead of merely large. And will skew the distribution of players even further towards gold/silver 5
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On May 25 2015 05:13 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:52 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:40 Volband wrote:On May 25 2015 04:35 Nemireck wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that Volband has a bedroom full of participation "awards"? Even if I did, it wouldn't explain how so many people have not yet reached that mental level where they are aware that gg easy is, in fact, an insult. On May 25 2015 04:38 Nemireck wrote:On May 25 2015 04:14 Volband wrote:
Don't put me in a position where I have to decide, what's fine or not. But gg easy is definitely a worse offense than calling someone a douche, yes. I would strongly disagree with this. Saying 'gg easy' is nothing more than a comment on how easy it was to win a game. At best it's a passive-aggressive attack on the skill of one's opponent. Calling someone a douchebag is a personal attack on their character. Which is probably far worse, actually. You are aware that more often than not gg easy is said when the game was actually close? Right...? While I agree that denying it's an insult is completely ridiculous, I would place it very, VERY low on any scale measuring the severity of the insult itself. It's a childish spit in the face, to be sure. I compare it to an 8 year old calling someone a stupid-head or poopy-face. Not really all that offensive once you consider the source of the comment. Is it ban worthy? My personal opinion would be a clear 'no'. It really isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) offensive enough to ruin somebody's experience while playing the game, and ALL forms of competition DO contain varying levels of trash-talk. Personally, I'd rather the focus go towards harassment throughout a game, egregious slurs (fa**ot, ni**er, etc.), and trolling through one's actions that can't be logged in a chat window. I'd also like to see people that start fights after given advice focused on as well. Because guess what snowflake, when I tell you that you should build a BF before finishing your Shiv+Boots2, I'm not being toxic, I'm being helpful. Some of these points have been chewed upon a lot. Is it as bad or nearly as bad as your examples? No, of course not. No one claims it to be. Is it an insult? It is, even if Scip and co. have a hard time wrapping their head around that word. Is it supposed to be the highest priority on Riot's list. No, but they shouldn't get flak just because they care about this as well. It's obviously easier to automate a ban system for gg easy than intentional trollers. What we don't agree, is the severity of gg easy, obviously. You say it barely has any negative effects, but I beg to concur. Seems like a personality difference, but I don't see how is it hard to imagine how it might really annoy someone. Once again, we were jackasses with each other when we played together, whether it was sports when we were young or games nowadays. But we never disrespected strangers, and the kinds of people who did... well, let me not go into racist territory!
Right, I don't think we disagree that the game is probably better off without assholes making snide insults at the end of the game. And it certainly is a difference in personalities here. I was bullied and berated constantly from grade 5 to about grade 10 growing up, so I've become desensitized and truly learned not to give a single fuck about what some stranger on the internet has to say. To me it's a question of priorities. I'd rather people who are actually ruining the experience DURING the game be punished. Harassment and trolling actions first and foremost, followed by egregious slurs and general arguing over otherwise benign comments. I don't like that someone receiving good advice can start trolling and making passive-aggressive statements and get away with it completely any more than I like someone who gives their advice, then berates the player throughout the game because they aren't doing exactly what they said. Both people are toxic and I'd like to see them removed from the gaming experience.
Someone making a quick trashy comment at the end of the game? Mildly annoying, sure, but the game is over now and the next game will (generally) have a fresh batch of players. Every game is a new experience and should be treated as such. I want the focus to be on those that ruin THAT experience.
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On May 25 2015 05:18 Caiada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:17 killerdog wrote:On May 25 2015 05:13 Caiada wrote:
...shitty Taric ... U wot mate Taric is fabulous I mean, I love him, but he sucks.
taric isnt bad, hes got the highest winrate for supports
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On May 25 2015 05:26 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:18 Caiada wrote:On May 25 2015 05:17 killerdog wrote:On May 25 2015 05:13 Caiada wrote:
...shitty Taric ... U wot mate Taric is fabulous I mean, I love him, but he sucks. taric isnt bad, hes got the highest winrate for supports
Got it. When the support player than the AD don't agree on what support to pick, use a basic heuristic and pick taric.
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On May 25 2015 05:21 Alaric wrote:
Out of curiosity, which patch will the LCS start on? 5.9, right? It's been a few weeks already.
Du we know if Viktor is enabled (prob won't change anything)?
Viktor isn't enabled afaik
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On May 25 2015 05:36 TheHumanSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:26 101toss wrote:On May 25 2015 05:18 Caiada wrote:On May 25 2015 05:17 killerdog wrote:On May 25 2015 05:13 Caiada wrote:
...shitty Taric ... U wot mate Taric is fabulous I mean, I love him, but he sucks. taric isnt bad, hes got the highest winrate for supports Got it. When the support player than the AD don't agree on what support to pick, use a basic heuristic and pick taric.
it's better than going "the pros play thresh" and feeding with him
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On May 25 2015 04:07 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:02 Frolossus wrote:On May 25 2015 03:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Allow me to voice my opinion on how much I dislike the new Ashe. Why bother changing her, who was perfectly fine, when there are so many other problems with the game?
- Taric
- Gankplank
- Warwick
- Mordekaiser
- Yorick
- Urgot (one way or another)
- Poppy honestly ashe wasn't fine. mobility creep and better assassins made her never picked. Her remake did nothing to address those issues. lol.
Actually made her worse vs assassins since she can't burst them anymore with the auto crit. But her dps is up which is nice.
On May 25 2015 03:48 Alaric wrote:
I'd argue that if you're in an "outpoked" match-up (such as Lulu vs Nami or Sona) and assuming your opponent is decent, the additonal regen is better than whatever additional damage spellthief could give you.
This is 100% true. by raw dot/hot coin out lanes pick. Pick allows you to stack the power fast though to win by virtue of zone/kill before the coin raw advantage kicks in. So if you can't do that or if you can't apply pick as well as the other guy coin is stronger.
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such gd kek
taric would be fab if he didn't have pizza feet and 5th age pink taric should be standard skin.
thresh is so good, yet so bad in soloq since people can't play him right.
new ashe feels like she does more damage. that q animation bb
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