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On May 25 2015 05:50 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 04:07 wei2coolman wrote:On May 25 2015 04:02 Frolossus wrote:On May 25 2015 03:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Allow me to voice my opinion on how much I dislike the new Ashe. Why bother changing her, who was perfectly fine, when there are so many other problems with the game?
- Taric
- Gankplank
- Warwick
- Mordekaiser
- Yorick
- Urgot (one way or another)
- Poppy honestly ashe wasn't fine. mobility creep and better assassins made her never picked. Her remake did nothing to address those issues. lol. Actually made her worse vs assassins since she can't burst them anymore with the auto crit. But her dps is up which is nice. Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 03:48 Alaric wrote:
I'd argue that if you're in an "outpoked" match-up (such as Lulu vs Nami or Sona) and assuming your opponent is decent, the additonal regen is better than whatever additional damage spellthief could give you. This is 100% true. by raw dot/hot coin out lanes pick. Pick allows you to stack the power fast though to win by virtue of zone/kill before the coin raw advantage kicks in. So if you can't do that or if you can't apply pick as well as the other guy coin is stronger.
Then your ad just gets bullied while you get ignored.As lulu unless you push em early and outpoke you are gonna get raped.Coin is not going to change anything except make you weaker.
Also you are playing soloq.Pretty much always if you play aggressively regardless of your actual power you win lane.
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Would be it be considered toxic and unacceptable to tell an opponent in postgame what you thought cost their team the game? Something along the lines of, "I think it was a mistake to show bot when baron spawned." or "You shouldn't have tried to fight at dragon while your team was stacking two tears." Would it be better to just say "GGWP" and queue up for another game?
Why is there even a window for postgame chat anyways? I almost exclusively see it used for blame and report-mongering, and as I understand it that chat doesn't even get logged by Riot's behavioral monitoring system.
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Just use common sense.
It's always better to just be polite and move on quickly if you're unsure, but if you want to be proactively helpful, nothing's stopping you and (IF their system works) it's not gonna get you banned assuming you're courteous.
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I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum).
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its mostly venting your frustration
dont assume everyone is an evil prick
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Everybody vents their frustration. I sometimes yell at my computer screen after a rough game, or complain to friends.
I don't, however, make the conscious effort to type insults to people over the internet. That's the point where it crosses the line between 'venting' and being an asshole to people.
And don't put words into my mouth. I said "insulting your opponents should be discouraged", that's a long way from "people who insult their opponents are evil pricks". (which in itself a long way from 'everyone is an evil prick')
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Currently 2-0 on cancer support ashe. Clearly this is the superior build
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On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum).
Because I consider flamers and being flamed part of the online multiplayer experience. It provides entertainment (not talking about flaming, talking about watching flamers go at each other), and in general provides motivation to improve and keep playing.
It feels like shit when someone insults me in chat. It makes me feel bad. That does not mean that I think that the experience would be better if I never got insulted. Even when a particular asshole pushes one of my buttons and I get upset, I can still take a step back and say "why am I listening to this guy" and move on. Because despite him being an asshole, I still want him there.
That's not to say that I think that no one should get banned for flaming. Rather, I think that petty insults/flaming is part of the experience and should be allowed.
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On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum).
Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where.
Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide.
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It's not about ignore flame vs flame its about flame vs free expression
free expression is probably too much though LOL
limited expression is better
they should just ban less at higher elos where ppl arent as childish
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On May 25 2015 07:51 Slayer91 wrote:
It's not about ignore flame vs flame its about flame vs free expression
free expression is probably too much though LOL
limited expression is better
they should just ban less at higher elos where ppl arent as childish
Indeed it's about free expression. If you're a dick, riot is free to express that they dont want you playing their game.
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On May 25 2015 07:51 Slayer91 wrote:
It's not about ignore flame vs flame its about flame vs free expression
free expression is probably too much though LOL
limited expression is better
they should just ban less at higher elos where ppl arent as childish
Sarcasm? I hope? Please god be sarcasm?
On May 25 2015 08:10 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 07:51 Slayer91 wrote:
It's not about ignore flame vs flame its about flame vs free expression
free expression is probably too much though LOL
limited expression is better
they should just ban less at higher elos where ppl arent as childish Indeed it's about free expression. If you're a dick, riot is free to express that they dont want you playing their game.
Free speech only matters when it applies to what I want :B
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On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide.
IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle.
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On May 25 2015 08:36 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide. IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle.
And that perfectly sums up why this conversation will never go anywhere because I could not disagree with you any more.
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I'm not entirely sure whether this discussion or the blue buff discussion had tastier popcorn.
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On May 25 2015 05:26 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:18 Caiada wrote:On May 25 2015 05:17 killerdog wrote:On May 25 2015 05:13 Caiada wrote:
...shitty Taric ... U wot mate Taric is fabulous I mean, I love him, but he sucks. taric isnt bad, hes got the highest winrate for supports
I waited months for the right opportunity to bring out the Taric. When I'm last pick and the other team has a full AD comp.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FjgfQf6.png) ez
Really though, I forgot how much damage Taric does. Maybe I'll try him out some more.
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On May 25 2015 08:15 Caiada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 07:51 Slayer91 wrote:
It's not about ignore flame vs flame its about flame vs free expression
free expression is probably too much though LOL
limited expression is better
they should just ban less at higher elos where ppl arent as childish Sarcasm? I hope? Please god be sarcasm? Free speech only matters when it applies to what I want :B
Why sarcasm?
Being offended is subjective, banning certain words will just lead to other words taking their place, and you can always make someone mad offended if you want to
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On May 25 2015 08:42 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 08:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide. IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle. And that perfectly sums up why this conversation will never go anywhere because I could not disagree with you anymore.
This post could be used as a great example to show the importance of distinguishing between "anymore" and "any more".
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On May 25 2015 08:51 thejuju wrote:
I'm not entirely sure whether this discussion or the blue buff discussion had tastier popcorn.
Who's more toxic, the jungler who takes blue buff or the mid that flames him for it?
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On May 25 2015 08:57 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 08:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 08:36 cLutZ wrote:On May 25 2015 07:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 25 2015 06:38 Mikau wrote:
I can't understand how so many people are seriously arguing that "you need thicker skin" instead of "don't be a douchebag". Why would you feel the need to insult your teammates or opponents? There literally is no other reason for doing it than pissing people off, and if you don't realise that doing anything "just to piss people off" should be unacceptable then I don't know what to tell you. How thick or thin the skin of the person you're insulting is, or how serious or how light the insult is literally doesn't matter. At the end of the day you are purposefully acting like a douchebag with no other intention than making somebody else (no matter how slightly) miserable.Making people miserable for your own amusement is not something we should encourage and I'm glad Riot is banning for it. (Even though 'gg easy' is low on the insult spectrum). Coming from someone who is on your side, arguing this point isn't worth it. I've had the same argument on this site and no one ever ends up changing their mind. The debate is so deeply rooted in people's own personal beliefs about what is/isn't offensive it always ends up going no where. Edit: There's just a huge disconnect between "people shouldn't flame" and "people should just ignore flaming" and really that's the biggest divide. IMO the divide is much different. There is a subset of flamers at one end, and a subset of "sensitives" at the other, and there are a vast swath of people in the middle. The flamers know they are flamers, but the sensitives are just as bad as flamers, they just are self righteous about it and think they aren't just as bad as the flamers. And in this case, they are worse, because they have caused the implementation of a policy that negatively affects us in the middle. And that perfectly sums up why this conversation will never go anywhere because I could not disagree with you anymore. This post could be used as a great example to show the importance of distinguishing between "anymore" and "any more".
I actually read it a couple times and something felt wrong but I couldn't put my finger on it.
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