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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 00:57:36
May 25 2015 00:56 GMT
#1421
On May 25 2015 09:55 Caiada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 09:53 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:51 Caiada wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.

Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.


1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic.

2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.
I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego.


The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective.


It's exactly relevant to the topic at hand. If riots system is banning certain phrases and words it's because a large group finds them offensive. It doesn't mean these phrases or words are bad it just means rito has decided it's more profitable to ban players using these phrases to keep more sensitive players playing and spending money. There's nothing subjective about profits although determining the gain from this sort of thing is difficult at best.
As players we want a system best suited for the game and some players want a game where you can flame all you want. It doesn't really matter to me but its an interesting subject.


It's still kind of like pointing out water is wet. Both sides want wholly subjective things.

I don't understand?
Everything is subjective so why ever argue about anything?

aka Teutonica
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 00:57:52
May 25 2015 00:57 GMT
#1422
the "gg ez" discussion stops now since its not really getting anywhere. Further posts regarding the "gg ez" discussion will be actioned.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
May 25 2015 00:58 GMT
#1423
i wanted to badly to follow your post with "gg easy"
aka Teutonica
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 01:18:31
May 25 2015 01:00 GMT
#1424
ok
XDG Mata
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 01:03:04
May 25 2015 01:01 GMT
#1425
It's not pointless when people use the term "offensive" as if it carries some kind of objective weight.
Saying "X is offensive" should be equivalent to saying "I don't like X" but it isn't.
Technically I'm offended by anyone who picks teemo but because its so rare of an opinion I can't form any kind of movement about it.
Actually maybe I can. I want to start a movement to get teemo deleted from league of legends.


User was warned for this post
aka Teutonica
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
May 25 2015 01:02 GMT
#1426
On May 25 2015 10:00 Caiada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 09:56 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:55 Caiada wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:53 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:51 Caiada wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:46 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:14 Caiada wrote:
"Sensitive" as a negative trait is... beyond comprehension.

Also, "being offended is subjective" is a great way to use four words to say nothing.


1: Why? Being sensitive means anybody else has a massive amounts of power over you whenever they want just buy saying a few things. You can be empathetic without being sensitive. I suppose you can be sensitive to other people but thats just being empathetic.

2: Doesn't mean nothing at all wtf? If you are offended by something it doesn't mean something is bad, it means you personally don't like it. If a large group is communally "offended" by something it generally means its profitable to remove that thing. Again it doesn't hold any moral high ground it's just good business, just as good business as hiring 12 year olds in india to sell clothes to the west.
I'm offended by teemo players. The thing is I don't think that because I'm offended I'm in any way right, I just think its a product of my emotions and semi-fragile ego.


The fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand though? The whole damn argument is subjective.


It's exactly relevant to the topic at hand. If riots system is banning certain phrases and words it's because a large group finds them offensive. It doesn't mean these phrases or words are bad it just means rito has decided it's more profitable to ban players using these phrases to keep more sensitive players playing and spending money. There's nothing subjective about profits although determining the gain from this sort of thing is difficult at best.
As players we want a system best suited for the game and some players want a game where you can flame all you want. It doesn't really matter to me but its an interesting subject.


It's still kind of like pointing out water is wet. Both sides want wholly subjective things.

I don't understand?
Everything is subjective so why ever argue about anything?



We argue about everything because it's subjective. That's what argument is about :l I just think pointing out something's subjectivity is a pointless thing to do, especially without some objectively right side to go by.

(I don't consider this a part of the gg ez thing, just responding, sorry ^^)


well I do. So edit it.
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Nohiko
Profile Joined January 2015
71 Posts
May 25 2015 01:05 GMT
#1427
So Heimer has been at the top/near the top of winrate for a few months now, anyone have a feeling as to why, or why he isn't played more? His R-E and R-Q can be great in the right situations, but his turrets just seem so useless outside of laning unless you are taking an objective or the enemy team has literally no poke abilities.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 01:06:50
May 25 2015 01:05 GMT
#1428
Heimer has no mobility but more importantly is a yordle scum and I want him deleted from league of legends.
Gnar and rumble have to go as well but the rest are an OK bunch I think.
aka Teutonica
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 25 2015 01:08 GMT
#1429
delete ziggs and lulu too, nvm i love playing lulu <3
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 25 2015 01:14 GMT
#1430
On May 25 2015 10:05 Nohiko wrote:
So Heimer has been at the top/near the top of winrate for a few months now, anyone have a feeling as to why, or why he isn't played more? His R-E and R-Q can be great in the right situations, but his turrets just seem so useless outside of laning unless you are taking an objective or the enemy team has literally no poke abilities.

People play a lot of melees in top. All heimer needs to do is ward decently and then lololololol through lanephase by setting up turrets properly and win lane through CS. Just massively outfarming the other top is enough to win him a lot of games.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 01:21:48
May 25 2015 01:16 GMT
#1431
On May 25 2015 10:05 Nohiko wrote:
So Heimer has been at the top/near the top of winrate for a few months now, anyone have a feeling as to why, or why he isn't played more? His R-E and R-Q can be great in the right situations, but his turrets just seem so useless outside of laning unless you are taking an objective or the enemy team has literally no poke abilities.

you cant push him out of lane and his r-w can 1shot people. engaging on his turrets is very bad news since they do a lot of damage and he just zhonyas while you die

hes very boring though, you just sit behind your turrets until their towers die

MAXIMUM DAMAGE TO SINGLE CHAMPION OR MONSTER: 648 / 864 / 1180 (+ 216% AP). I don't know if you guys know, but 648 burst damage at level 6 is pretty stupid, especially since that's more than fiddlesticks level 1 ult over the whole duration
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
May 25 2015 01:18 GMT
#1432
so im watching piglet's stream and his midlane mechanics are just insane

i honestly think his mid may be better than his ad O_O at least in terms of mechanics and teamfighting cause damn.
TL/SKT
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 25 2015 01:28 GMT
#1433
everyones too scared to talk to each other in game im honestly laughing my ass off
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 01:45:00
May 25 2015 01:29 GMT
#1434
A lot of the skills from AD transfer to mid really well, also you tend to power spike earlier so the impact of you being better than your lane opponent shows more.

Heimer support can be pretty hilarious, but with the new rules I'm not allowed to have fun anymore. The ult is stupid strong, people seem to forget that he has really good base damage to make up for being immobile and squishy (or is it the other way around?).
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 25 2015 01:33 GMT
#1435
On May 25 2015 10:28 FinestHour wrote:
everyones too scared to talk to each other in game im honestly laughing my ass off

yup, all my friend's ranked games are pretty much silent as well. lol, riot was better off removing chat.
liftlift > tsm
Nohiko
Profile Joined January 2015
71 Posts
May 25 2015 01:36 GMT
#1436
Also a lot of people forget about his R-E, even when they are cognizant of R-W and R-Q. It has really surprising range and the 80% slow is huge, even if you don't hit them with the stun.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
May 25 2015 02:07 GMT
#1437
On May 25 2015 10:36 Nohiko wrote:
Also a lot of people forget about his R-E, even when they are cognizant of R-W and R-Q. It has really surprising range and the 80% slow is huge, even if you don't hit them with the stun.


Id argue he wins much more games than the statistical average because most of his damage is targeted and he has huge range (when you think about the fact that his turrets used to be a global ability that got scaled down to something like 1500 range). Its honestly harder to make mistakes on heimer than it is on other champions; his damage is more reliable and that makes him more sucessful on average. Not that hes like good competitively - you can abuse the shit out of him with certain picks (Syndra, Nasus I think).

People dont use RE because its not anywhere close to as reliable as RQ, and honestly I think its almost superflous. Like when are you looking for hard engage out of heimerdinger and not RQ turret damage? If you want engage its just better from somewhere else, and RE is not valuable secondary engage when compared to the damage RQ does.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
May 25 2015 02:11 GMT
#1438
Lol also you dont think that this "quiet ranked" meme is getting out of hand? Just dont be dicks in chat and you wont get punished right? Its hilarious that people are taking this to the extremes that they are. At the very least you have people being awful getting called out for acting shitty.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 25 2015 02:15 GMT
#1439
On May 25 2015 11:11 Purge wrote:
Lol also you dont think that this "quiet ranked" meme is getting out of hand? Just dont be dicks in chat and you wont get punished right? Its hilarious that people are taking this to the extremes that they are. At the very least you have people being awful getting called out for acting shitty.

funny, considering people are getting banned for nothing anyways
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
May 25 2015 02:19 GMT
#1440
Heimer eh? That's interesting, his winrate is about 51% in Diamond and 55% in Plat. That's definitely much higher than it used to be a month or two ago. I've seen him as mostly a lower elo pub stomper. I wonder what's changed.
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