if those 2 champs aren't banned you are top 3
basically you are limiting yourself in pick ban phase by wasting all your bans on a role with the most similar type of champs so yeah it doesnt really matter
most pros have an effective champ pool of 3-5 anyway

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

May 25 2015 18:53 GMT

#1471

Well he played corki/cait and he played em well.His first try at corki was pathetic but next few he played it well but his team sucked dick at using it.Let's see if he had developed the ability to click the jinx/sivir/kalista/urgot icons in pick phase.

Disengaged

United States6994 Posts

May 25 2015 18:53 GMT

#1472

I've never even heard of incarnation until most recently and I didn't even know there was hype around him until I looked up some things.

Rekkles's hype crashed and burned long ago for me mainly because he just hasn't shown why hes supposedly one of the best ADC's in the west. All he does is just farm farm farm and hopes his team doesn't feed until he gets his items. Rarely makes plays on his own.

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

May 25 2015 18:56 GMT

#1473

On May 26 2015 03:51 Slayer91 wrote:

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Ban 1/Pick 1 to make a team's(most likely) best player pretty much useless? Worth as fuck. Not to mention since they're the same type of AD, he gets super screwed when the meta doesn't support that style. Forgiven is overrated imo until he can perform better than decently on Caitlyn when he can't get Graves/Lucian.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

May 25 2015 18:59 GMT

#1474

I love how people always talk about "wasting bans". It's such a silly excuse for a player having a shit champ pool. It shouldn't happen in pro level at all. Teams have shown that it's the most effective strat against SK last season so we'll see how it works out in Gambit.

kongoline

6318 Posts

May 25 2015 18:59 GMT

#1475

i would argue that majority of pro players play at their highest level only 3-4 champions, not many adc players force 2 adc bans and its not like he sucks on others

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

May 25 2015 18:59 GMT

#1476

Hiemer just reminds me so much of when ryze dominated top lane. It was either you camp him early or u just watch your top starve for farm and cede top. Then watch him be a spiltpush monster that can 2v1 all day cuz hourglass pewpew

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

May 25 2015 19:02 GMT

#1477

I definitely agree with nafta. Sneaky's position is untouchable imo but I don't really see who else I could put above Forgiven, even if he had a brief moment of exposure with his first Corki/Cait picks before he got used to them. It's just... who else would you put in top3? Doublelift? Wildtortoise? Steelback :p ?

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

May 25 2015 19:02 GMT

#1478

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Fildun

Netherlands4124 Posts

May 25 2015 19:06 GMT

#1479

I'd probably rather have Hjarnan/Rekkles/Tabzz on my team than Forgiven. When you're playing at that level you need to at least be able to play most ADC's at a decent level. Being godlike on Graves/Lucian is great, but you need to give your team some strategic diversity as well.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

May 25 2015 19:08 GMT

#1480

On May 26 2015 03:59 kongoline wrote:
i would argue that majority of pro players play at their highest level only 3-4 champions, not many adc players force 2 adc bans and its not like he sucks on others

Most players don't have a huge drop off from their most proficient champs. Also most players don't pick champs that are kind of shit in the meta just because their most proficient ones were banned. Saying it's "forcing" has the implication that he's doing the team a favour when in fact it's just the best way to deal with SK and Forgiven. He's also a player that rates laning phase far too highly instead of looking at the bigger picture.