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[Patch 5.8] Ryze Rework General Discussion - Page 5
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sob3k
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
I see an Assassin from Assassins Creed. Altair, Ezio, is that you?! | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On April 29 2015 15:32 wei2coolman wrote: Wait, if I'm reading Ashe's PBE notes right now, she can no longer crit? Only does bonus damage? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. interesting. So based on the math there should be pretty high critchance+AD break point in which ashe finally does more DPS with her passive than she would if she just critted normally... They're still coded as crits, so they still effect that one crit->AS mastery and presumably cause Shiv to crit 100% of the time. Without crit damage modifiers, that breakeven point is 90%. With IE this breakeven point is 60%. IE and PD is 55%. So with an extra 5% from somewhere you're doing as much damage as old Ashe crits with every single auto. And then Q active just adds an extra 1.35AD ratio to your autos on top of that (unless I'm reading it wrong and it's 1.35 total instead of 1+1.35 per auto). | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Or a bad sign that they aren't going in that direction, as its now part of Ashe's "special identity"... | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On April 29 2015 15:42 sob3k wrote: This is some pretty bad silhouette overlap: those looked like kerrigan's hair | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On a positive note, upcoming Ashe changes look very interesting. I've wished I could like the champion, but she's just so mundane in her current form. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On April 29 2015 16:31 JazzVortical wrote: Fuck that Yasuo buff. I was finally happy not laning regularly vs that piece of shit. Also Thresh gets another skin? I hate that Riot likes him. I hate that champ even exists. Thank god Nidalee didn't get buffed or Riot would've nailed all 3. On a positive note, upcoming Ashe changes look very interesting. I've wished I could like the champion, but she's just so mundane in her current form. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3477cn/the_58_yasuo_changes_arent_a_buff_theyre_actually/ Seems like that's a nerf to Yasuo, not even a buff. I'm not good at theorycrafting and math, so maybe anyone can deny it. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 29 2015 16:16 TheHumanSensation wrote: Tough call. They really used words to suggest that they're promoting Ashe as a utility-carry, but then added way too much (imo) damage for this plan. If it works out, I could see them doing this to all crits and then just focusing on the utility aspects of Ashe. /conspiracy While they certainly nuked a lot of the utility of w they didn't ass that much damage. The thing that gets me though is that the base bonus damage on her passive actually makes buying crit less effective compared to buying AD the same as if any champion got 10% free crit (that was not effected by the IE crit bonus) that it would make buying crit on them less effective. Though this is probably an increase since the auto crit did the same thing. The inability to "crit" on the first attack against someone who isn't slowed is pretty big. So Ashes damage profile went from heavy burst to very much consistent. They gave her a decent steroid to go along with it but still, no burst from crits and backloaded damage may be an issue. I would not be surprised that even with the steroids this is a DPS reduction over the course of many fights. Plus it means that a few champions are hard counters to Ashe because they can't be slowed and therefore Ashe can't crit them. Shiv is almost right out because you can no longer fully crit on the passive and because unless you volley first you're going to probably hit a non-slowed target, guaranteeing the low damage version. The bonus damage on her q doesn't appear to crit either but that might just be me having a hard time reading the effect. Edit: ar least one person in the thread is thinking that you activate q (which has an 18 second cd btw) and your autos do 2.35 AD x crit. That is not true. The value listed is the total damage on the attack so you do, at max q, 1.35 x crit (if it crits, currently it looks like on hit damag when I tested it) That isn't too great, not bad, but not great. Especially since you just lost 1.5 auto attacks worth of burst(plus shiv proc crit) you have to make up before you're back to old Ashe DPS. Plus you've got weaker laning and slower item timing due to less gold (from both weaker laning and e). I don't buy that the e gold was inconsequential. Item timings are important and it only takes a bit to get that key item timing before your opponent in a close game. | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
By the way does anyone know what the deal is with Irelia being picked or banned pretty much every game now ? Is it just for me ? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 29 2015 13:17 Gahlo wrote: It takes a while for current Ryze to become a consistent damage threat. He's super weak 1-3 as long as you have some way to close a gap(which includes apprehend.) After asserting dominance early, he takes a really long time to become relevant. No, Ryze vs melee at level 1 is incredibly one-sided for Ryze. His Q hits for something like 70-80 damage which is a lot, and he can easily cast it 3-4 times if you try to last hit the first minion wave. Basically, unless you wave a way of farming from range (Shen, Mundo, etc.) you have to let him push the wave and use the bushes to try and sneak some farm. You've got to wait till level 2 (or 3 depending on the champion) at least to fight/contest him, and if you're not careful you'll be too low to attempt that after his harass from the first 2 waves. Well, that was pre-rework. On April 29 2015 16:11 sob3k wrote: Do you guys think Ashe is a test case implying an imminent move away from random crit? Or a bad sign that they aren't going in that direction, as its now part of Ashe's "special identity"... Red posts a few days ago pretty much said that they're not looking to change crit because of stuff like fishing for crits in lane, how more satisfying it is to see the big numbers over just hitting a little harder every auto, etc. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
black cleaver is basically made for xin zhao though its probably decent for garen we'll have to see | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
On April 29 2015 18:43 Slayer91 wrote: how can you bully mundo when he has 1k range skillshot which is also a nuke and slow and like 4 s cd and can last hit everything with it espceailly now its free black cleaver is basically made for xin zhao though its probably decent for garen we'll have to see By getting bullied I mean spending the whole laning phase under your tower. Not necessarily feeding/getting out-cs'd. Maybe I'm playing him wrong though but if I'm facing Irelia with ignite I'd rather not try to fight her 1v1 befre I have items lol. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On April 29 2015 16:40 GolemMadness wrote: Yasuo still looks like he'll be shit. Still annoying as all hell to lane against, shit or not. And now better lategame (only slightly, but still). I'm just spouting my personal bias against the champ. | ||
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kongoline
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On April 29 2015 18:48 Maluk wrote: By getting bullied I mean spending the whole laning phase under your tower. Not necessarily feeding/getting out-cs'd. Maybe I'm playing him wrong though but if I'm facing Irelia with ignite I'd rather not try to fight her 1v1 befre I have items lol. you dont have to be at your tower at all though irelia can't really engage properly anyway if you aren't next to a low hp creep | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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GolemMadness
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