[Patch 5.8] Ryze Rework General Discussion - Page 48

On May 14 2015 04:42 Zdrastochye wrote:
Just needs resets and he's AP Aatrox/Lucian pre-release already.

On May 14 2015 04:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
meh. super disappointed in his ult. it's just a shitty heal with a boring pbaoe nuke :[

On May 14 2015 04:45 wei2coolman wrote:

more like AP rengar on release.

I'm guessing they put damage on his ult so his pre-6 kit wouldn't be overtuned to make up for a non-damage ulti.

On May 14 2015 04:35 Scip wrote:

suggested 9/21/0:
http://i.imgur.com/31IEE7Y.jpg?1
possible changes champions: 10% slow reduction instead of perseverance (depending on enemy champions), another point in perseverance instead of 10% crit reduction (if the enemy has urgot ADC), 2 points in enchanted armor instead of a point in perseverance and legendary guardian (when playing Rammus). The 9 in offense depend on your champion obviously. I'm still not sure about 21/9/0.

On May 14 2015 04:48 Ryuu314 wrote:

yea iunno. I guess I was just hoping for an actual "time-rewind" ult. Instead of healing for X+%damage taken it would heal for 100% damage taken - 100% hp healed in last X seconds and have the ult scale by how long the X seconds is. So something like revert hp level back to where it was 2/3/4 seconds ago.

On May 14 2015 04:55 kongoline wrote:

i usually just go full yolo ignore legendary guardian(700 range is pretty short) and perseverance instead get resistance + evasive + enchanted armor

On May 14 2015 04:58 Seuss wrote:
His other damage ratios aren't amazing. 0.8 on his Q if you hit with both parts (the bulk of it on the return) and 0.2 on his blink attack. 2.3 total isn't anything special.

You can also see his trail so long as you have vision of him, as I suspected, so it's going to be hard to catch multiple people with it. Still, the salt from people wandering into brush will be real.

On May 14 2015 04:58 Seuss wrote:
His other damage ratios aren't amazing. 0.8 on his Q if you hit with both parts (the bulk of it on the return) and 0.2 on his blink attack. 2.3 total isn't anything special.

You can also see his trail so long as you have vision of him, as I suspected, so it's going to be hard to catch multiple people with it. Still, the salt from people wandering into brush will be real.

On May 14 2015 04:58 Seuss wrote:
His other damage ratios aren't amazing. 0.8 on his Q if you hit with both parts (the bulk of it on the return) and 0.2 on his blink attack. 2.3 total isn't anything special.

You can also see his trail so long as you have vision of him, as I suspected, so it's going to be hard to catch multiple people with it. Still, the salt from people wandering into brush will be real.

On May 14 2015 04:58 Scip wrote:

why

On May 14 2015 04:58 JimmiC wrote:
Just won a game with a jungler who did 33 damage to champs. He did have a disconnect but I still find it amazing. It's by far the least I have seen that is still above 0. impressive!

On May 14 2015 05:01 cLutZ wrote:

Looks like the goal is to set up a W>R wombo to me.

On May 14 2015 05:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
it goes up to 3.6 if you land the ult though. on top of that, depending on whether W has a cast time and how telegraphed the projectile is, he could be pretty gross in his nuke potential.

I can imagine scenarios where he's being chased, throws his W on his position and keeps running. Counts to 3 then hits R for #LCSBIGPLAYS

On May 14 2015 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:

Regnar's double W was only 2.0 ratio, still enough to make AP rengar cancer as hell. Not to mention with Ludens that's plenty of ratio to be annoying as fuck.

On May 14 2015 05:04 Kinie wrote:
So the Q's ratio is weaker on the outward toss and hit, but after it expands and returns it does more damage and the ratio is better? I guess that sort of makes sense, as you throw a compact, non-activated version out then have the activated version return. It doesn't hit the same target twice though, right? Cause otherwise with proper positioning and skillshot that's 280 damage at level 9 at least, not including the slow and ratios on the two hits.

W's passive is... Shit tier? Like you get an extra % damage based on their missing health when they're at/below 30% HP. So the passive basically just lets you make sure you kill someone when they're low. Meanwhile, the stun field is OP as all hell; throw it out, dash in, boom, get a shield AND stun your target for 2.25 seconds at rank 1? What is this, Veigar wall all over again?

The E is fine, it's probably going to be what you use to engage on a champ after stunning them with W.

The ulti's damage is dumb, especially that ratio. Like you just pop it, dash in with E, stun with W, then walk away until your shadow gets to where the stunned enemies are, reactivate it and watch them blow up with an AoE that heals you and does insane damage to enemies nearby? And it seems like once you hit 6 and skill the ulti you get the ghost trail following you around wherever you walk. There is no range indicator/distance listed, so it could lead to recall shenanigans where you recall, buy items and quickly ulti back to lane.

On May 14 2015 05:07 Seuss wrote:


2.3 includes his Q and E damage ratios, though I'm excluding the W passive. W active doesn't do damage, it just gives Ekko a shield with a 0.8 ratio.

On May 14 2015 05:07 Ryuu314 wrote:

1.3 (from ult) +2.3 (Q+E) is 3.6... I mentioned the W since it lets him set up his ult nuke.

On May 14 2015 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Just noticed, Ekko's ult doesn't cost mana....