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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 14 2015 03:29 739 wrote:
Welp, this kit looks pretty boring indeed. Ult is just Weaver from Doto but it does some damage as well, from what I've seen on 'trailer'. Wondering which lane he will be played, jungle or top mostly.
It's like safe call for sololane, lol.
Throw a circle to stun adc, follow with ult, then slow and dash everything with getting procs from Gnar's hyper passive.
I just geniunely hope that ult doesn't have resets, else he's going to be obnoxious, but we need base stats first to judge properly. Even though, you gotta be able to proc ult before those 5 seconds end, just to little damage, I assume.
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It'll depend on how much % max health damage he does.
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I think we'll see him in top. The biggest two questions I have about Ekko right now are:
1. His base stats and numbers on his abilities.
2. Does he scale off AD or AP?
In the trailer/ability promo it looked like the test was with level 18s with no items. My guess is that he's going to scale off AP, as they mention that the E's bonus damage does apply on-hit and spell effects, so that means things like Muramana, Lich Bane, Luden's Echo, Nashors, Morellos, Liandrys, BotRKs, and Rylei's passives would apply.
Plus it'd fit more from a theme standpoint; most people who scale off AP are "mages" or intelligent people, and from a thematic/story standpoint playing with time like he does seems like a rather magical thing to do, even if he did it through Science!
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I think the best part of his kit is the passive.
I really like the passive. I'm weird I guess.
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You can ult recall and ult back?
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On May 14 2015 03:41 cLutZ wrote:
I think the best part of his kit is the passive.
I really like the passive. I'm weird I guess.
Are you a dirty gnar picker? Or perhaps a vayne player? It seems like the same thing, though thematically I don't understand how time resonance being stacked and popped is supposed to speed yourself up?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 14 2015 03:45 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:41 cLutZ wrote:
I think the best part of his kit is the passive.
I really like the passive. I'm weird I guess. Are you a dirty gnar picker? Or perhaps a vayne player? It seems like the same thing, though thematically I don't understand how time resonance being stacked and popped is supposed to speed yourself up?
Stealing time? Idklol it sounds like some the flash tier science going on there.
Let's just say speedforce
Idk what order of the lotus irelia is going to look like but I already want it
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On May 14 2015 03:44 Ansibled wrote:
You can ult recall and ult back?
... In theory yes? We don't know how long the time shadow lasts, or if it has a range indicator/distance on it.
Assuming no range distance and a 10s window, you in theory could ult, begin recalling, buy your items quickly than ult back to lane. But that's a pretty tight window (less than 2s) so it might not be worth it. If it lasts longer though (say, 15-20s) then and has no range distance then it'd probably be worth it.
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On May 14 2015 03:47 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:45 wei2coolman wrote:On May 14 2015 03:41 cLutZ wrote:
I think the best part of his kit is the passive.
I really like the passive. I'm weird I guess. Are you a dirty gnar picker? Or perhaps a vayne player? It seems like the same thing, though thematically I don't understand how time resonance being stacked and popped is supposed to speed yourself up? Stealing time? Idklol it sounds like some the flash tier science going on there. Let's just say speedforce https://twitter.com/moobeat/status/598560236836888578Idk what order of the lotus irelia is going to look like but I already want it
I guess riot logic can't melt ***** beams.
Riot has been releasing a lot of skins, and a lot of them are pretty mediocre tbh. While it's cool they want to create thematic sets, quite a few of them are a bit of a stretch, and don't look that great.
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On May 14 2015 03:11 wei2coolman wrote:The trail he leaves, I'm guessing that's for himself only to see? Cuz otherwise that'd be pretty sucky when you're being chased. Also felt they definitely could have used the trail/clone in a lot more useful way than just casting a slow field... Also the way they coded is ult is really hamfisted, it's essentially an AoE dmg spell with a heal attached to it, as opposed to an actual time reverser....
The trail is either self/team-only to avoid that problem or it's like Meeps and can't be seen unless they have vision of you. I don't think the coding seem hamfisted, it's essentially Weaver ult with less survivability/room to derp.
Totally with you on the clone though. Least interesting use of an alternative reality copy ever.
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On May 14 2015 03:47 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:45 wei2coolman wrote:On May 14 2015 03:41 cLutZ wrote:
I think the best part of his kit is the passive.
I really like the passive. I'm weird I guess. Are you a dirty gnar picker? Or perhaps a vayne player? It seems like the same thing, though thematically I don't understand how time resonance being stacked and popped is supposed to speed yourself up? Stealing time? Idklol it sounds like some the flash tier science going on there. Let's just say speedforce https://twitter.com/moobeat/status/598560236836888578Idk what order of the lotus irelia is going to look like but I already want it
Well, it'll probably have her blades be in the shape of a lotus petal, and maybe when you pop her ult the blades leave a trail of lotus petals behind it as an animation?
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On May 14 2015 03:51 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:11 wei2coolman wrote:The trail he leaves, I'm guessing that's for himself only to see? Cuz otherwise that'd be pretty sucky when you're being chased. Also felt they definitely could have used the trail/clone in a lot more useful way than just casting a slow field... Also the way they coded is ult is really hamfisted, it's essentially an AoE dmg spell with a heal attached to it, as opposed to an actual time reverser.... The trail is either self/team-only to avoid that problem or it's like Meeps and can't be seen unless they have vision of you. I don't think the coding seem hamfisted, it's essentially Weaver ult with less survivability/room to derp. Totally with you on the clone though. Least interesting use of an alternative reality copy ever.
It's hamfisted because I'm sure with current League coding, it'd be much more difficult to actually have it revert to actual game state of the character (5 sec before) without royally fucking up a billion other interactions on the character. If the deathlog is anything to go by, you'd probably end up reversing 5 seconds into a grey screen, when 5 seconds ago you were actually full health.
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On May 14 2015 03:50 Kinie wrote:... In theory yes? We don't know how long the time shadow lasts, or if it has a range indicator/distance on it. Assuming no range distance and a 10s window, you in theory could ult, begin recalling, buy your items quickly than ult back to lane. But that's a pretty tight window (less than 2s) so it might not be worth it. If it lasts longer though (say, 15-20s) then and has no range distance then it'd probably be worth it.
Judging from the video his ult simply transports him back 4 seconds when activated. There's no initial activation in the video, he simply has the trail.
If it doesn't have a range then you can recall, buy within four seconds, and then ult. Alternatively there are Teleport Shenanigans to be had.
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Scip and I are discussing unyielding math and basically I think the verdict is even though block is absolute shit, unyielding is good enough to be worth it over enchanted armor unless you're a ranged champion or get a ton of resists in your kit like rammus.
You still get bladed armor 24/7 though. You trade unyielding for either slow resistance or perserverence.
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On May 14 2015 03:56 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:51 Seuss wrote:On May 14 2015 03:11 wei2coolman wrote:The trail he leaves, I'm guessing that's for himself only to see? Cuz otherwise that'd be pretty sucky when you're being chased. Also felt they definitely could have used the trail/clone in a lot more useful way than just casting a slow field... Also the way they coded is ult is really hamfisted, it's essentially an AoE dmg spell with a heal attached to it, as opposed to an actual time reverser.... The trail is either self/team-only to avoid that problem or it's like Meeps and can't be seen unless they have vision of you. I don't think the coding seem hamfisted, it's essentially Weaver ult with less survivability/room to derp. Totally with you on the clone though. Least interesting use of an alternative reality copy ever. It's hamfisted because I'm sure with current League coding, it'd be much more difficult to actually have it revert to actual game state of the character (5 sec before) without royally fucking up a billion other interactions on the character. If the deathlog is anything to go by, you'd probably end up reversing 5 seconds into a grey screen, when 5 seconds ago you were actually full health.
Ah, I wasn't thinking about stuns/DoTs etc. That said I think you can look at it two ways:
1. Riot is too lazy/hamfisted in their coding to "do this right".
2. Riot was never going to design the ability to work that way because they don't want their players to use their big ultimate and warp back into a CC'd/DoT'd state and/or reverse whatever heals/shield/buffs/etc. allies have used on them.
I'd bet money that #2 was a bigger factor than #1.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 14 2015 03:56 Ketara wrote:
Scip and I are discussing unyielding math and basically I think the verdict is even though block is absolute shit, unyielding is good enough to be worth it over enchanted armor unless you're a ranged champion or get a ton of resists in your kit like rammus.
You still get bladed armor 24/7 though. You trade unyielding for either slow resistance or perserverence.
well in that case you just sacrifice something else for enchanted armor
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On May 14 2015 04:04 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:56 wei2coolman wrote:On May 14 2015 03:51 Seuss wrote:On May 14 2015 03:11 wei2coolman wrote:The trail he leaves, I'm guessing that's for himself only to see? Cuz otherwise that'd be pretty sucky when you're being chased. Also felt they definitely could have used the trail/clone in a lot more useful way than just casting a slow field... Also the way they coded is ult is really hamfisted, it's essentially an AoE dmg spell with a heal attached to it, as opposed to an actual time reverser.... The trail is either self/team-only to avoid that problem or it's like Meeps and can't be seen unless they have vision of you. I don't think the coding seem hamfisted, it's essentially Weaver ult with less survivability/room to derp. Totally with you on the clone though. Least interesting use of an alternative reality copy ever. It's hamfisted because I'm sure with current League coding, it'd be much more difficult to actually have it revert to actual game state of the character (5 sec before) without royally fucking up a billion other interactions on the character. If the deathlog is anything to go by, you'd probably end up reversing 5 seconds into a grey screen, when 5 seconds ago you were actually full health. Ah, I wasn't thinking about stuns/DoTs etc. That said I think you can look at it two ways: 1. Riot is too lazy/hamfisted in their coding to "do this right". 2. Riot was never going to design the ability to work that way because they don't want their players to use their big ultimate and warp back into a CC'd/DoT'd state and/or reverse whatever heals/shield/buffs/etc. allies have used on them. I'd bet money that #2 was a bigger factor than #1.
or 3. LoL base coding is too shit to implement the correct mechanics, without overhauling the entire base game code, which would probably break three quarters of the champions and how they work.
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I don't see a meaningful difference between your #3 and my #1, and even if Riot's code base was pristine I guarantee you we'd never have seen Ekko's ult do anything more than it already does.
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@Scip/other mathcrafters, could you upload a pic of the ideal mastery page (both 9/21 and 21/9) to imgur and post a link?
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On May 14 2015 04:09 Seuss wrote:
I don't see a meaningful difference between your #3 and my #1, and even if Riot's code base was pristine I guarantee you we'd never have seen Ekko's ult do anything more than it already does.
Scale of work is vastly different between #3 and #1.
Though I guess I agree with your point that Riot still wouldn't implement it like I suggested, but I still think they didn't even bother trying was due to bad coding.
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