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Because that the end of the day the crit scaling and raw AD outweigh other options. IE's crit and passive is worth a 30% multiplier to your AD damage which you should have a good deal of regardless of your build path.
People skipping IE on an AD when they don't have other clear better options are missing out on both mid and lategame damage by a considerable amount.
Now, before the most recent patch i would probably have suggested BT, since BOTRK lifesteal isn't that much. But now that BotRK lifeseals on its proc there isn't a great reason to go for BT over IE
Edit: Essentially IE is the best damage option you have when you don't need utility. Which is something you're always going to run into on Kalista at some point. It also enables you to get the lategame DPS efficient build.
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chroma pack prices are ridiculous and i believed they might actually make them aviable for IP lol
/e nvm didnt realize it adds prices if u dont own champion/skin, still the ones they did suck for 590rp ;/
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u know that feel when someone goes smite tp and loses to someone who didnt
that feelerino
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PLEASE don't go Runaan's first. Sure you'll have great waveclear, but you'll basically be useless in a teamfight. Well, I guess you have the ability to throw your support at someone, but that's about it.
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The only chromepack that might be worth considering is Lee imo.
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wait
why are there threads about varus being op mid now
did they buff him or something since the q cd fix (which i thought was bugged anyways)
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On May 01 2015 08:26 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 07:58 Goumindong wrote:
Because that the end of the day the crit scaling and raw AD outweigh other options. IE's crit and passive is worth a 30% multiplier to your AD damage which you should have a good deal of regardless of your build path.
People skipping IE on an AD when they don't have other clear better options are missing out on both mid and lategame damage by a considerable amount.
Now, before the most recent patch i would probably have suggested BT, since BOTRK lifesteal isn't that much. But now that BotRK lifeseals on its proc there isn't a great reason to go for BT over IE
Edit: Essentially IE is the best damage option you have when you don't need utility. Which is something you're always going to run into on Kalista at some point. It also enables you to get the lategame DPS efficient build. you'll generally have no other crit chance though. also I would much rather prefer the BT for more survivability since as long as kalista survives the initial burst/engage she will kite the fuck out of the enemy. thats the reason BT is the most common first item for kalista at the moment. what kalista needs most is the ability to survive and draw out the length of a teamfight so she can get massive rends. its not worth sacrificing the BT for the chance at a crit at an average of every 5 autos. edit: tho I will agree if you're not going hurricane, you should get ie.
1) It doesn't matter if you have no other crit chance. Its still the highest damage option
2) We are talking about it as an item for after you have BT or BotRK. So you already have your sustain/survivability.
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On May 01 2015 09:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wait
why are there threads about varus being op mid now
did they buff him or something since the q cd fix (which i thought was bugged anyways)
that, and cuz poe picked him up in the finals vs fnatic, and did pretty good with it. then bjergsen played some yolo queue in it and dumpstered scrubs.
On May 01 2015 09:05 AsnSensation wrote:
The only chromepack that might be worth considering is Lee imo.
blitz one looks pretty good, especially the metallic color.
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On May 01 2015 09:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wait
why are there threads about varus being op mid now
did they buff him or something since the q cd fix (which i thought was bugged anyways)
Because the one thing Varus needed to be good again happened (ie., the assassin and bruiser meta went away).
The Q cooldown change helped (I believe it's till bugged, it's like a 1/3 chance of it not working properly), and if you go for the CD build you basically turn into a 1600 range sniper able to fire 1600 range headshots every 2-3 seconds (assuming the Q doesn't bug, in which case you fire arrows every 5-8s).
His weaknesses (no escape, low mana regen) are countered by now naturally short the mid lane is, getting blue buff, and getting Essence Reaver (assuming you go for the CDR build).
Plus, the new BC applies to everything he hits, so in theory you can go Reaver > Bruta (eventually to turn into Youmou's) > BC > LW and have 40% CDR easy, a fair bit of AD, a bit extra mobility due to Phage passive, and lots of armor pen.
You could also do something like Lucidity boots + BC + 5% CDR masteries to get to 40% CDR, and turn Reaver and Bruta into IE and PD instead.
Before the new patch hit, Sneaky took Varus bot lane and built Reaver + old BC + Tear + Lucidity boots and had the 5% CDR mastery. By the end of the game he was nearly two-shotting the enemy Leblanc (she had Void + Morellos + Rabadons + M. Pen boots). Granted, his team was up like 10k gold (the score was like 35 to 20 when he had those items finished) but even against the enemy team's front line each Q was hitting for 500-750 a shot.
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On May 01 2015 09:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wait
why are there threads about varus being op mid now
did they buff him or something since the q cd fix (which i thought was bugged anyways)
It's not op but if Leblanc and zed are banned it's pretty good.
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I'm wondering if BoRK + BT is a good combo now-- since BoRK passive works with lifesteal you could have a pretty nice shield.
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On May 01 2015 09:20 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 09:15 Goumindong wrote:On May 01 2015 08:26 krndandaman wrote:On May 01 2015 07:58 Goumindong wrote:
Because that the end of the day the crit scaling and raw AD outweigh other options. IE's crit and passive is worth a 30% multiplier to your AD damage which you should have a good deal of regardless of your build path.
People skipping IE on an AD when they don't have other clear better options are missing out on both mid and lategame damage by a considerable amount.
Now, before the most recent patch i would probably have suggested BT, since BOTRK lifesteal isn't that much. But now that BotRK lifeseals on its proc there isn't a great reason to go for BT over IE
Edit: Essentially IE is the best damage option you have when you don't need utility. Which is something you're always going to run into on Kalista at some point. It also enables you to get the lategame DPS efficient build. you'll generally have no other crit chance though. also I would much rather prefer the BT for more survivability since as long as kalista survives the initial burst/engage she will kite the fuck out of the enemy. thats the reason BT is the most common first item for kalista at the moment. what kalista needs most is the ability to survive and draw out the length of a teamfight so she can get massive rends. its not worth sacrificing the BT for the chance at a crit at an average of every 5 autos. edit: tho I will agree if you're not going hurricane, you should get ie. 1) It doesn't matter if you have no other crit chance. Its still the highest damage option 2) We are talking about it as an item for after you have BT or BotRK. So you already have your sustain/survivability. 1) not by enough to warrant taking it over BT/botrk 2) you should be starting BT and getting botrk later. that botrk will help much more than that IE.
BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE BT/BOTRK.
And you should not get both
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I think people forget, the only reason to play kalista is for the pew scoot pew scoot mechanics, that means more AS = more fun. That's why BotRK+Hurricaine is a good build, everything else is moot.
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On May 01 2015 09:25 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 09:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wait
why are there threads about varus being op mid now
did they buff him or something since the q cd fix (which i thought was bugged anyways) Because the one thing Varus needed to be good again happened (ie., the assassin and bruiser meta went away). The Q cooldown change helped (I believe it's till bugged, it's like a 1/3 chance of it not working properly), and if you go for the CD build you basically turn into a 1600 range sniper able to fire 1600 range headshots every 2-3 seconds (assuming the Q doesn't bug, in which case you fire arrows every 5-8s). His weaknesses (no escape, low mana regen) are countered by now naturally short the mid lane is, getting blue buff, and getting Essence Reaver (assuming you go for the CDR build). Plus, the new BC applies to everything he hits, so in theory you can go Reaver > Bruta (eventually to turn into Youmou's) > BC > LW and have 40% CDR easy, a fair bit of AD, a bit extra mobility due to Phage passive, and lots of armor pen. You could also do something like Lucidity boots + BC + 5% CDR masteries to get to 40% CDR, and turn Reaver and Bruta into IE and PD instead. Before the new patch hit, Sneaky took Varus bot lane and built Reaver + old BC + Tear + Lucidity boots and had the 5% CDR mastery. By the end of the game he was nearly two-shotting the enemy Leblanc (she had Void + Morellos + Rabadons + M. Pen boots). Granted, his team was up like 10k gold (the score was like 35 to 20 when he had those items finished) but even against the enemy team's front line each Q was hitting for 500-750 a shot.
It's funny because I always felt that Varus had more of a solo laner kit (Quinn style) and was lackluster as a typical ADC. I much prefer playing him as a caster rather than as a marksman but now it's meta and i'm hipster and feeling sad
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On May 01 2015 09:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 09:25 Kinie wrote:On May 01 2015 09:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
wait
why are there threads about varus being op mid now
did they buff him or something since the q cd fix (which i thought was bugged anyways) Because the one thing Varus needed to be good again happened (ie., the assassin and bruiser meta went away). The Q cooldown change helped (I believe it's till bugged, it's like a 1/3 chance of it not working properly), and if you go for the CD build you basically turn into a 1600 range sniper able to fire 1600 range headshots every 2-3 seconds (assuming the Q doesn't bug, in which case you fire arrows every 5-8s). His weaknesses (no escape, low mana regen) are countered by now naturally short the mid lane is, getting blue buff, and getting Essence Reaver (assuming you go for the CDR build). Plus, the new BC applies to everything he hits, so in theory you can go Reaver > Bruta (eventually to turn into Youmou's) > BC > LW and have 40% CDR easy, a fair bit of AD, a bit extra mobility due to Phage passive, and lots of armor pen. You could also do something like Lucidity boots + BC + 5% CDR masteries to get to 40% CDR, and turn Reaver and Bruta into IE and PD instead. Before the new patch hit, Sneaky took Varus bot lane and built Reaver + old BC + Tear + Lucidity boots and had the 5% CDR mastery. By the end of the game he was nearly two-shotting the enemy Leblanc (she had Void + Morellos + Rabadons + M. Pen boots). Granted, his team was up like 10k gold (the score was like 35 to 20 when he had those items finished) but even against the enemy team's front line each Q was hitting for 500-750 a shot. It's funny because I always felt that Varus had more of a solo laner kit (Quinn style) and was lackluster as a typical ADC. I much prefer playing him as a caster rather than as a marksman but now it's meta and i'm hipster and feeling sad
Meh, it's ok. PoE did it against Fnatic and it was ok, and I think Varus mid's shown up in China as well. The biggest issue with it is you have to have the right bans (ban Zed and LB) and a comp built around it; don't take it into solo Q without expecting a ton of flack from your allies.
In theory, you'd want a tanky top and jungler to act as front line (Sejuani would work great with Varus) with their being some sources of AP damage somewhere so the enemy team doesn't just build nothing but armor against your team. I'd recommend Corki for the ADC bot, maybe a Kennen or Annie support, and have Vlad or Sejuani in the comp too (the former provides sustained damage if the enemy team tries to fight, the latter acts as a front wall and engage).
As for the BotRK vs BT discussion:
It'll depend upon what the enemy team is running, and what your adc is. Sometimes just having BotRK is enough (they have a lot of beef, but not a ton of armor/thornmail just yet). Other times BT is the needed item (the shield helps vs. assassin mids). And there are a few corner cases where having both will help (usually it's lategame and you need the sustain for fights because everyone's sitting on 3-6 items and you have to cut through 1-3 tanks and are expected to survive somehow when you have little/no peel).
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I played a game with a blue chroma skin lee, shit looked awesome. Kinda of want.
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In other news AD Shyv is so fun. I watched the cowsep video and have been playing with it ever since. I'm liking Ad Jungle item into Beserker boots into IE. Then I go PD/LW/whatever. Fastest clears on any jungler ive played i think (once you get your jungle item anyway) and two shotting ad carries is hilarious.
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