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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 01 2015 01:29 GMT
#321
On May 01 2015 09:42 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 09:34 Goumindong wrote:
On May 01 2015 09:20 krndandaman wrote:
On May 01 2015 09:15 Goumindong wrote:
On May 01 2015 08:26 krndandaman wrote:
On May 01 2015 07:58 Goumindong wrote:
Because that the end of the day the crit scaling and raw AD outweigh other options. IE's crit and passive is worth a 30% multiplier to your AD damage which you should have a good deal of regardless of your build path.

People skipping IE on an AD when they don't have other clear better options are missing out on both mid and lategame damage by a considerable amount.

Now, before the most recent patch i would probably have suggested BT, since BOTRK lifesteal isn't that much. But now that BotRK lifeseals on its proc there isn't a great reason to go for BT over IE

Edit: Essentially IE is the best damage option you have when you don't need utility. Which is something you're always going to run into on Kalista at some point. It also enables you to get the lategame DPS efficient build.


you'll generally have no other crit chance though.
also I would much rather prefer the BT for more survivability since as long as kalista survives the initial burst/engage she will kite the fuck out of the enemy.

thats the reason BT is the most common first item for kalista at the moment. what kalista needs most is the ability to survive and draw out the length of a teamfight so she can get massive rends.

its not worth sacrificing the BT for the chance at a crit at an average of every 5 autos.

edit:
tho I will agree if you're not going hurricane, you should get ie.


1) It doesn't matter if you have no other crit chance. Its still the highest damage option

2) We are talking about it as an item for after you have BT or BotRK. So you already have your sustain/survivability.



1) not by enough to warrant taking it over BT/botrk

2) you should be starting BT and getting botrk later. that botrk will help much more than that IE.


BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE BT/BOTRK.

And you should not get both


why not both?

BT is pretty much mandatory on kalista. literally everyone gets BT on kalista. so then you're choosing between botrk or IE. botrk is the obvious choice here.


Because you're paying a lot for lifesteal you don't need and because IE has more damage
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
May 01 2015 01:48 GMT
#322
Can someone explain to me how why Manamune is good on Varus? I used to do shit like AD Caster Ashe which makes more sense because she has a 4 second CD volley. Varus has much longer CDs so what makes it acceptable now?
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 01:53:52
May 01 2015 01:52 GMT
#323
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 01:57:33
May 01 2015 01:55 GMT
#324
On May 01 2015 10:48 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me how why Manamune is good on Varus? I used to do shit like AD Caster Ashe which makes more sense because she has a 4 second CD volley. Varus has much longer CDs so what makes it acceptable now?


Assuming you go CDR Varus you don't get enough mana back even with Reaver letting you regain some from AAing minions (if Reaver passive applied to physical AD damage like new BC, it would be enough). You use tear to just let you have near infinite mana so you can just siege from 1600 range with your Q arrows. Again, this assumes you are playing him as ADC, are going the CDR build on him, and do not get blue buff or are expected to get blue buff for the majority of the game.

Also, for those looking to do CDR Varus from bot lane, I'd recommend getting a BFS on the first back, then on the second back getting Tear. Buying tear first is just so horrible on Varus, and you need the BFS's damage to let you win trades/get kills in bot post-6 with well-timed Q harass.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 03:09:35
May 01 2015 03:07 GMT
#325
Is muramana ryze op right now? Due to the E bounce triggering the on-hit proc?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 01 2015 03:39 GMT
#326
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 04:46:34
May 01 2015 04:46 GMT
#327
On May 01 2015 12:39 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 12:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
Is muramana ryze op right now? Due to the E bounce triggering the on-hit proc?


no its terrible just like how it was before

Wow it bonuces like ludens now. I was thinking you could apply like 3 muramana procs to people who dived you and 5 to 2 close targets in a teamfight.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 06:13:54
May 01 2015 06:10 GMT
#328
If you play Rend Kalista, getting BotRK and BT over one and IE is much better. Your biggest damage is backloaded. May as well survive the fight as long as possible and get as many consistent-damage AAs in as possible.

If you want IE, just build standard ADC. It's just as viable as the Hurricane build.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 09:06:24
May 01 2015 09:03 GMT
#329
Unless you are getting other crit items ie is useless.

Don't think standart adc kalista is good tbh.Might as well just pick other champions if you are doing that.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 01 2015 12:25 GMT
#330
so how do i lane as fizz right now? before the rework/nerfs i could always threaten with all in to go for a farm now his early all in isnt so good and i usually get heavily denied -.-
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 01 2015 13:18 GMT
#331
so how do i lane as fizz right now? before the rework/nerfs i could always threaten with all in to go for a farm now his early all in isnt so good and i usually get heavily denied -.-


Isn't his W very good at trades? His early burst got nerfed yeah, which would probably be the reason he sees bruiser play in top lane now, or you pick him into melee mid laners. His lv 6 all in is still strong though, if you can survive to that point he just plays out like normal, except missing Urf hurts a lot more to your all in.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 01 2015 15:56 GMT
#332
Doa and monte at MSI yay!
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2015-mid-season-invitational-air-team
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 01 2015 17:02 GMT
#333
Quickshot over Pira. Just in case someone got too optimistic after OGN duo announcement :p
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 01 2015 18:14 GMT
#334
On May 02 2015 02:02 AlterKot wrote:
Quickshot over Pira. Just in case someone got too optimistic after OGN duo announcement :p

Ugh.

Riot, you're making the best teams from each region go, why are you sending one of the worst casters?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 01 2015 18:25 GMT
#335
quickshot probably on analysis desk in LA with dash and the pro players.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 01 2015 18:27 GMT
#336
Speaking of the bork vs bt discussion going on earlier:

DL's BT into double PD build he does now on Vayne is pretty fun.

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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 01 2015 18:33 GMT
#337
Ahh yes, genius. Double PD with no IE!
Freeeeeeedom
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 01 2015 18:43 GMT
#338
http://www.liquidlegends.net/stream/XMAtv

INTZ vs CNB if you interest.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 01 2015 18:44 GMT
#339
Is dat KT Rolster Arrows or INTZ.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 01 2015 19:02 GMT
#340
On May 02 2015 03:44 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Is dat KT Rolster Arrows or INTZ.

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